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Subject: Re: Good old days, early '80s

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 01:50:46 11/22/99

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>Posted by Christophe Theron on November 21, 1999 at 14:32:25:
>
>Was it better than Sargon II, or just equal?

It was better because Sargon was outplayed by search depth in most
cases. In that days Rebel was able to look 6 plies deep all very selective
and much holes involved but very effective playing a program thinking
just 4 plies deep.


>>In the past I have written an Apple IIE emulator for the PC.
>
>That's incredible! Did you write it just to run a 6502 Rebel with more
>comfort, or did you make a standalone product of this emulator?

The emulator was only meant to work for my convenience improving
Rebel. No Apple 2E hard disk, keyboard or screen support, it only
emulated my engine.

It was not used very much as the so-called "dedicated computer" market
collapsed after the introduction of the 80486 as then it was the first
time producers like Mephisto, Fidelity and Saitek couldn't compete anymore
regarding raw processor speed as the 486 definitely was superior to the
chips they were using.

The only exception was TASC who came with the ChessMachine concept and
therefore was able to compete a bit longer but then when the Pentium
90 came the hardware superiority once and for all was decided in favor
of the PC.

Summarizing my conversions:
- TRS80 (basic)
- TRS80 (assembler)
- APPLE 2E (assembler)
- ARM RISC (assembler)
- PC (C++)
- PC (assembler)

Every stage was about 1.5 - 2 years before I was pleased with the results.

I wonder what is next. The upcoming 64-bit of Intel?


>> I can run and old
>>6502 Rebel on the PC. It's a super fast emulator, speed loss not more than
>>a factor 2-3 if I remember well. At that time I used it for a while to improve
>>my 6502 engines because a 386 20 Mhz was much more comfortable than the
>>Apple IIE at 2 Mhz.
>>
>>If I can dig up the thing in 2010 I will give you a very hard time :)
>
>At that time you'll have a 1GHz Apple IIe.
>
>Check your sources. It would be sad to see you resigning because you get a
>stack overflow after a 20 plies search! :)

Worse, 16 plies maximum and no hash tables :(

>Be warned that I could have a 2GHz TRS-80 on my side, loaded with 48Kb RAM.
>That's a serious client! :)

No!

I will ask Jeroen to edit the Tiger book a bit :)

Ed




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