Author: Anatoli
Date: 12:57:55 11/22/99
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On November 22, 1999 at 05:07:33, blass uri wrote: >On November 22, 1999 at 03:11:14, Anatoli wrote: > >>On November 21, 1999 at 13:02:27, Peter Kappler wrote: >> >>> >>>Anatoli, >>> >>>Thanks for your post. Very interesting. Nice to know that there are some very >>>strong players here. >>> >>>But, I am surprised that Fritz is your favorite engine. Tactically, it's >>>fantastic, but it seems to me that Hiarcs has better positional understanding. >>>Everybody else seems to think this too, so I'm wondering what we are all >>>missing. >>> >>>It would be great if you could post some key positions from your correspondence >>>games where Fritz and Hiarcs were confused. >>> >>>--Peter >> >>Peter ! >>I have just returned from my job dead tired. But I promise that I'll send here >>the most impressive examples from my games to prove my point of view. As for >>Fritz and Hiarcs, Fritz CAN lose blitz games to Hiarcs, but it has much higher >>understanding of chess at all stages of a game. I strongly emphasize it. >>My best wishes to everybody >>anatoli > >I do not agree that it has much bigger understanding at all stages of a game. >It is dependent in the position. >It is possible that this is the case in your games. > >Fritz's main problem is that it is a root processor and sometimes the evaluation >is changed drastically after trading queens not because of the fact that it sees >more and this does not happen to hiarcs. > >I think that chessbase should release an option for Fritz when Fritz is not a >root processor and do not care about doing it slower because they do not have to >use this option for comp-comp games. > >Uri Uri ! I never pay any attention on the Fritz or Hiarcs evaluation, even it shows something like +-3.00, because I have my own one. Just after release of Fritz 5 about 2 years ago I found that it could show +- for 10 moves, that guarantee an easy win for you, but suddenly it could change its evaluation to -+. This year I had an e-mail game with a player from Canada, who had an impressive rating 2400. I don't want to write his name because who can read this newsgroup. I played Black and we followed the well known game Ivanchuk-Kasparov, which Black lost. At one moment he even asked the other newsgroup to send him all analises of that game from Chess Informator and he received them ! There was a big mess about it and some members of that group wrote that it was wrong, the others didn't find anything bad about it. But as a correspondence player with 15 years experience I had my own opinion on the critical position of that game where Garry made a weak move. Fritz and all his brothers-engines evaluated the possible position as around +- 2.5 not in my favour. But I don't care ! My partner was very happy and without spending a single day on thinking, he simply passed to me all Fritz's move under Ivanchuk accompponiment. I sacrificed 2 pawns and Fritz gave to my partner a winning evaluation. He started to think when Fritz changed its mind to -+. Have a look at that game: Canada- Sirota 1.d4-Nf6 2.c4-g6 3.Nc3-Bg7 4.e4-d6 5.f3-0-0 6.Bg5-a6 7.Qd2-c5 8.d5-b5 9.cxb Qa5 10.a4-Nbd7 11.Nge2-Nb6 12.Nc1-axb 13.Bxb5-Ba6 14.N1a2-Bxb5 15.axb- Nh5 16.Rb1-Bd4 17.b3 (reccomandation of Ivanchuk.In his analises in Chess Informator Ivanchuk gives absolutely silly lines. I thing those reccomendations are suitable for playing 2 hour games against Topalov or Gelfand, but not against a correspondence player with a rating 2450-2500. According to my opinion it is a fatal mistake. But position of Black is very dinamic and I didn't care about Fritz's evaluation. Somethink MUST be found !) - f5 18.Bxe7 ( I played this game 6 months ago, so I forget many lines. As far as I remember, it is forced. The other moves gave to Black even more sharp initiative)-Rfe8 (As far as I remember, it wasn't the only possible continuation) 19.Bxd6-fxe 20.fxe-Nf6 So simple. Here Fritz gave a big advantage to White but if you make a couple of moves you will see, that it'll change its opinion soon. Here my partner started to think for the first time. He didn't answer for nearly 2 months ! I suspect that all his Pentiums worked days and nights, but here he gave up. Just 3 moves after Ivanchuk's reccomendation. My conclusion:pay a little attention to the engine's evaluation and put ALL YOUR UNDERSTANDING in the current position. As for me, I only watch eng.vs eng. games on Fridays evenings under an accompaniment of good Australian beer ! My best wishes Anatoli
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