Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 19:41:16 11/22/99
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On November 22, 1999 at 18:35:05, Pete Galati wrote:
>On November 22, 1999 at 18:02:57, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On November 21, 1999 at 20:36:21, Pete Galati wrote:
>>
>>>On November 21, 1999 at 17:25:15, Jari Huikari wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 21, 1999 at 14:28:58, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>With Sargon 5 you have to be in Dos, it won't work in a Dos window
>>>>>at all. Sargon III however might be a different story, it might be willing to
>>>>>run in a Dos window.
>>>>
>>>>I guess no "PC VIC-emulator" could help me to run my Sargon II, because
>>>>it's on cartridge! (which needs muscles of Samson to be placed to it's hole
>>>>in VIC's backside. :-)
>>>>
>>>>I hope to find somewhere working TV-modulator for my VIC. All the other
>>>>parts are still working, but it's too much "blindfold", if the screen
>>>>doesn't show you even the coordinates of computer's moves. :-)
>>>>
>>>>If I get a modulator I could challenge the program with my Nero or
>>>>perhaps with other opponents too by corresponding the moves.
>>>>
>>>>Only problem I remember: When I did board setups with Sargon II, it
>>>>didn't allow double pawn moves like e2-e4... And I'd like to switch VIC
>>>>off while waiting for opponents moves.
>>>>
>>>>In junior high school we played with a friend a game Sargon II v. Sargon II
>>>>with two VICs (level 6). Black's second move 2...Nc6 took about one hour and
>>>>later the game slowed down even more... I don't remember if we had enough
>>>>patience to ever finish the game. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Jari
>>>
>>>I'd never seen the older Sargons, even though Sargon 5 is very dated, it seems
>>>to be somewhat advanced compared to what you describe. I went back to Dos and
>>>played a couple games against it today since it's name came up, very enjoyable
>>>games, Sargon plays very different Chess than the modern programs. I'd recomend
>>>the program to people but everyone wants sleek modern interfaces and everything,
>>>and Sargon does not have that.
>>>
>>>Pete
>>
>>
>>Sargon V for PC is not bad.
>>
>>It is the PC port of the very famous Mach II dedicated computer.
>>
>>The interesting thing about it is that it uses hash tables (but you have to boot
>>with an EMS driver), and that it is a brute-force program with no extensions. I
>>think there is not even the check extension, and that it does almost no
>>selectivity (just plain alpha-beta).
>>
>>So it's interesting because it is sometimes able to find holes against a
>>selective program.
>>
>>However generally it gets killed because of lack of depth in its search.
>>
>>I can run it in a W95 DOS box, so I don't understand why you can't.
>
>I might need to sit down and try other pif settings for it's shortcut, as it is
>now it restarts into Dos before starting.
>
>>
>>This program has been sold with at least two different names:
>>* Sargon V
>>* World Class Chess
>>
>>Sargon V is protected: it asks you for some works you have to pick in the manual
>>(please enter the word page 4, paragraph 5, line 2). I have bypassed this by
>>running it a lot of times and writting down each word I have been asked for in a
>>text file.
>>
>>It happens that the program can only ask for 50 words, no more. So with a little
>>text file you can always give the answer and run it.
>>
>>This is no pirating, I have bought this program and have the original manual and
>>floppies!
>>
>>
>>
>> Christophe
>
>Someone else at rgcc mentioned having to enter a word, there seems to be a
>difference between Sargon 5 versions. He had bought his copy in a store (you
>probably did too) but I got mine by paying for a download ($16.95) so they
>probably made some changes to the program for the download version because I
>don't have to enter a word from the manual.
Yes, I got mine in 1994 in a store.
Christophe
>One odd problem that I have with Sargon is that I need to start it, quit the
>program, and then start it again to get it to make sound, this I usually do
>because I like to hear a beep when it moves. Allowing Sargon to play it's
>taunting music when it makes a move is too hard to handle though.
>
>Pete
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