Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 19:43:47 11/22/99
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On November 22, 1999 at 21:40:18, Pete Galati wrote:
>On November 22, 1999 at 18:35:05, Pete Galati wrote:
>
>>On November 22, 1999 at 18:02:57, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On November 21, 1999 at 20:36:21, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 21, 1999 at 17:25:15, Jari Huikari wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 21, 1999 at 14:28:58, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>With Sargon 5 you have to be in Dos, it won't work in a Dos window
>>>>>>at all. Sargon III however might be a different story, it might be willing to
>>>>>>run in a Dos window.
>>>>>
>>>>>I guess no "PC VIC-emulator" could help me to run my Sargon II, because
>>>>>it's on cartridge! (which needs muscles of Samson to be placed to it's hole
>>>>>in VIC's backside. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>I hope to find somewhere working TV-modulator for my VIC. All the other
>>>>>parts are still working, but it's too much "blindfold", if the screen
>>>>>doesn't show you even the coordinates of computer's moves. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>If I get a modulator I could challenge the program with my Nero or
>>>>>perhaps with other opponents too by corresponding the moves.
>>>>>
>>>>>Only problem I remember: When I did board setups with Sargon II, it
>>>>>didn't allow double pawn moves like e2-e4... And I'd like to switch VIC
>>>>>off while waiting for opponents moves.
>>>>>
>>>>>In junior high school we played with a friend a game Sargon II v. Sargon II
>>>>>with two VICs (level 6). Black's second move 2...Nc6 took about one hour and
>>>>>later the game slowed down even more... I don't remember if we had enough
>>>>>patience to ever finish the game. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Jari
>>>>
>>>>I'd never seen the older Sargons, even though Sargon 5 is very dated, it seems
>>>>to be somewhat advanced compared to what you describe. I went back to Dos and
>>>>played a couple games against it today since it's name came up, very enjoyable
>>>>games, Sargon plays very different Chess than the modern programs. I'd recomend
>>>>the program to people but everyone wants sleek modern interfaces and everything,
>>>>and Sargon does not have that.
>>>>
>>>>Pete
>>>
>>>
>>>Sargon V for PC is not bad.
>>>
>>>It is the PC port of the very famous Mach II dedicated computer.
>>>
>>>The interesting thing about it is that it uses hash tables (but you have to boot
>>>with an EMS driver), and that it is a brute-force program with no extensions. I
>>>think there is not even the check extension, and that it does almost no
>>>selectivity (just plain alpha-beta).
>>>
>>>So it's interesting because it is sometimes able to find holes against a
>>>selective program.
>>>
>>>However generally it gets killed because of lack of depth in its search.
>>>
>>>I can run it in a W95 DOS box, so I don't understand why you can't.
>>
>>I might need to sit down and try other pif settings for it's shortcut, as it is
>>now it restarts into Dos before starting.
>>
>
>The trick was to in the properties/program/advanced settings area to select
>"Prevent MS-Dos program from detecting Windows" and then Sargon seemed to work
>OK in Windows, other than eventually having the mouse freeze up when I tried to
>play it against Bringer (it did make it to around move 30 though) it did quite
>well, it seemed to be ahead in that game, it's a shame I could not finish the
>game.
>
>Thanks Christophe, I probably would not have tried that if you hadn't mentioned
>being able to do that, I really thought it wasn't posible to run it in Windows,
>shows you how little I know.
>
>Pete
>
>[.....
I did not have to prevent Windows detection, so you definitely have a different
version...
I think that if you want Sargon to use hash tables you have to provide it with
EMS memory. In this case you might have to tweak something in your CONFIG.SYS.
Maybe just setting the DOS box properties does the trick, I'm not sure.
Christophe
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