Author: Pete Galati
Date: 21:51:32 11/22/99
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On November 22, 1999 at 22:43:47, Christophe Theron wrote: >On November 22, 1999 at 21:40:18, Pete Galati wrote: > >>On November 22, 1999 at 18:35:05, Pete Galati wrote: >> >>>On November 22, 1999 at 18:02:57, Christophe Theron wrote: >>> >>>>On November 21, 1999 at 20:36:21, Pete Galati wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 21, 1999 at 17:25:15, Jari Huikari wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 21, 1999 at 14:28:58, Pete Galati wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>With Sargon 5 you have to be in Dos, it won't work in a Dos window >>>>>>>at all. Sargon III however might be a different story, it might be willing to >>>>>>>run in a Dos window. >>>>>> >>>>>>I guess no "PC VIC-emulator" could help me to run my Sargon II, because >>>>>>it's on cartridge! (which needs muscles of Samson to be placed to it's hole >>>>>>in VIC's backside. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>>I hope to find somewhere working TV-modulator for my VIC. All the other >>>>>>parts are still working, but it's too much "blindfold", if the screen >>>>>>doesn't show you even the coordinates of computer's moves. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>>If I get a modulator I could challenge the program with my Nero or >>>>>>perhaps with other opponents too by corresponding the moves. >>>>>> >>>>>>Only problem I remember: When I did board setups with Sargon II, it >>>>>>didn't allow double pawn moves like e2-e4... And I'd like to switch VIC >>>>>>off while waiting for opponents moves. >>>>>> >>>>>>In junior high school we played with a friend a game Sargon II v. Sargon II >>>>>>with two VICs (level 6). Black's second move 2...Nc6 took about one hour and >>>>>>later the game slowed down even more... I don't remember if we had enough >>>>>>patience to ever finish the game. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Jari >>>>> >>>>>I'd never seen the older Sargons, even though Sargon 5 is very dated, it seems >>>>>to be somewhat advanced compared to what you describe. I went back to Dos and >>>>>played a couple games against it today since it's name came up, very enjoyable >>>>>games, Sargon plays very different Chess than the modern programs. I'd recomend >>>>>the program to people but everyone wants sleek modern interfaces and everything, >>>>>and Sargon does not have that. >>>>> >>>>>Pete >>>> >>>> >>>>Sargon V for PC is not bad. >>>> >>>>It is the PC port of the very famous Mach II dedicated computer. >>>> >>>>The interesting thing about it is that it uses hash tables (but you have to boot >>>>with an EMS driver), and that it is a brute-force program with no extensions. I >>>>think there is not even the check extension, and that it does almost no >>>>selectivity (just plain alpha-beta). >>>> >>>>So it's interesting because it is sometimes able to find holes against a >>>>selective program. >>>> >>>>However generally it gets killed because of lack of depth in its search. >>>> >>>>I can run it in a W95 DOS box, so I don't understand why you can't. >>> >>>I might need to sit down and try other pif settings for it's shortcut, as it is >>>now it restarts into Dos before starting. >>> >> >>The trick was to in the properties/program/advanced settings area to select >>"Prevent MS-Dos program from detecting Windows" and then Sargon seemed to work >>OK in Windows, other than eventually having the mouse freeze up when I tried to >>play it against Bringer (it did make it to around move 30 though) it did quite >>well, it seemed to be ahead in that game, it's a shame I could not finish the >>game. >> >>Thanks Christophe, I probably would not have tried that if you hadn't mentioned >>being able to do that, I really thought it wasn't posible to run it in Windows, >>shows you how little I know. >> >>Pete >> >>[..... > > >I did not have to prevent Windows detection, so you definitely have a different >version... > >I think that if you want Sargon to use hash tables you have to provide it with >EMS memory. In this case you might have to tweak something in your CONFIG.SYS. >Maybe just setting the DOS box properties does the trick, I'm not sure. > > > Christophe When you say EMS do you mean expanded memory? I have that loaded into config.sys like this: "DEVICE=C:\WIND95\EMM386.EXE ram" rather than specifying a number this kind of provides expanded memory as needed. I think that Sargon is the only program that I have at the moment that has any need for expanded memory, I'll have to go back and check the pif to see if I maybe need to specify something in there for using exp mem it in Windows, could be. Pete
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