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Subject: Re: Sargon

Author: Pete Galati

Date: 21:51:32 11/22/99

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On November 22, 1999 at 22:43:47, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On November 22, 1999 at 21:40:18, Pete Galati wrote:
>
>>On November 22, 1999 at 18:35:05, Pete Galati wrote:
>>
>>>On November 22, 1999 at 18:02:57, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 21, 1999 at 20:36:21, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 21, 1999 at 17:25:15, Jari Huikari wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On November 21, 1999 at 14:28:58, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>With Sargon 5 you have to be in Dos, it won't work in a Dos window
>>>>>>>at all.  Sargon III however might be a different story, it might be willing to
>>>>>>>run in a Dos window.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I guess no "PC VIC-emulator" could help me to run my Sargon II, because
>>>>>>it's on cartridge! (which needs muscles of Samson to be placed to it's hole
>>>>>>in VIC's backside. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I hope to find somewhere working TV-modulator for my VIC. All the other
>>>>>>parts are still working, but it's too much "blindfold", if the screen
>>>>>>doesn't show you even the coordinates of computer's moves. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If I get a modulator I could challenge the program with my Nero or
>>>>>>perhaps with other opponents too by corresponding the moves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Only problem I remember: When I did board setups with Sargon II, it
>>>>>>didn't allow double pawn moves like e2-e4... And I'd like to switch VIC
>>>>>>off while waiting for opponents moves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In junior high school we played with a friend a game Sargon II v. Sargon II
>>>>>>with two VICs (level 6). Black's second move 2...Nc6 took about one hour and
>>>>>>later the game slowed down even more... I don't remember if we had enough
>>>>>>patience to ever finish the game. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>					Jari
>>>>>
>>>>>I'd never seen the older Sargons, even though Sargon 5 is very dated, it seems
>>>>>to be somewhat advanced compared to what you describe.  I went back to Dos and
>>>>>played a couple games against it today since it's name came up, very enjoyable
>>>>>games, Sargon plays very different Chess than the modern programs.  I'd recomend
>>>>>the program to people but everyone wants sleek modern interfaces and everything,
>>>>>and Sargon does not have that.
>>>>>
>>>>>Pete
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sargon V for PC is not bad.
>>>>
>>>>It is the PC port of the very famous Mach II dedicated computer.
>>>>
>>>>The interesting thing about it is that it uses hash tables (but you have to boot
>>>>with an EMS driver), and that it is a brute-force program with no extensions. I
>>>>think there is not even the check extension, and that it does almost no
>>>>selectivity (just plain alpha-beta).
>>>>
>>>>So it's interesting because it is sometimes able to find holes against a
>>>>selective program.
>>>>
>>>>However generally it gets killed because of lack of depth in its search.
>>>>
>>>>I can run it in a W95 DOS box, so I don't understand why you can't.
>>>
>>>I might need to sit down and try other pif settings for it's shortcut, as it is
>>>now it restarts into Dos before starting.
>>>
>>
>>The trick was to in the properties/program/advanced settings area to select
>>"Prevent MS-Dos program from detecting Windows" and then Sargon seemed to work
>>OK in Windows, other than eventually having the mouse freeze up when I tried to
>>play it against Bringer (it did make it to around move 30 though) it did quite
>>well, it seemed to be ahead in that game, it's a shame I could not finish the
>>game.
>>
>>Thanks Christophe, I probably would not have tried that if you hadn't mentioned
>>being able to do that, I really thought it wasn't posible to run it in Windows,
>>shows you how little I know.
>>
>>Pete
>>
>>[.....
>
>
>I did not have to prevent Windows detection, so you definitely have a different
>version...
>
>I think that if you want Sargon to use hash tables you have to provide it with
>EMS memory. In this case you might have to tweak something in your CONFIG.SYS.
>Maybe just setting the DOS box properties does the trick, I'm not sure.
>
>
>    Christophe

When you say EMS do you mean expanded memory?  I have that loaded into
config.sys like this: "DEVICE=C:\WIND95\EMM386.EXE ram" rather than specifying a
number this kind of provides expanded memory as needed.  I think that Sargon is
the only program that I have at the moment that has any need for expanded
memory, I'll have to go back and check the pif to see if I maybe need to specify
something in there for using exp mem it in Windows, could be.

Pete



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