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Subject: Re: Strongest human regular at CCC

Author: Mark Andreoli

Date: 05:14:14 11/23/99

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Hello Gentlemen;


 This is a letter I posted to Heiko Mikala the other day!! It is exactly what
you're talking about! I'm not sure  I can trust analysis anymore From Fritz 5
  (see below) especially after it beats itself using my move in the critical
position! It contradicts itself-see below comments will be greatly
appreciated!!!



>
> Thanks so much for your expertise! anyways here goes with my
> comments!
>
> 1.e4 d6   2.d4 g6  3.f4 Bg7  4.Nf3 Nd7  5.Bd3 c5  6.c3 Ngf6  7.e5
> Nd5
>
> 8.OO  cxd4  9.cxd4 dxe5   10.fxe5  OO   11.Qe1  Qb6  12.Kh1 Nb4
>
> Ok here I was  in my over the board game. I could chicken out and
> play Qe2 or go for the gold (or try anyways) with :
>
> 13. Bc4 !?  (here F5 gives me a -2.00 afterall I am losing a rook)
> Nc2
>
> 14. Qh4  h5 ( my opponent wants to prevent Bh6,Ng5 etc./He can
> always take the rook)    15. Nc3  Qb4 !?  16. Bd3  Nxa1 17. Nd5  Qa4
> 18.Nxe7+   Kh8  19.Nxg6+  fxg6  20.Bxg6  Kg8  21. Qxh5  Rd8  22. Bh7+  Kf8
> 23. Ng5+  Nf6  24. Qf7 mate...
>
>
> Ok, If you let engine play against engine  (F5 vs F5)  from the
> critical point in the game 13. Bc4 , Fritz 5 goes on to win against itself
> using my move with time controls of  40 moves @ 3 hours, 4 hours, or even
> 7.5 hours everytime!!!
>
> It starts playing a little different (try it) on move 21.....Rf4
> 22.Bxf4 (I guess F5 plays Rf4 because he "sees the handwriting on the
wall"
> mate is inevitable! (but not a very human like move))
>
> F5 also plays  15....Qb4 (but his advantage starts dissipating
> little by little in the F5 vs. F5 engine analysis displayed next to each
> move).I also played F5 vs F5 using the move  15....e6 to keep the knight
out
> of d5 and "you guessed it" white goes onto win again with all slow time
> controls!
>
> Then I "click" on coach  and "click" on the analysis mode.I have F5
> start analyzing my game from the last move to the beginning of the game.
>
> A funny thing happens even at settings of .1 to.5 pawns/60 seconds
> to 800 seconds, IT DOES NOT GIVE ANY COMMENTS OR VARIATIONS TO HELP OUT
> BLACK (OR WHITE) IN THE TEXT FROM MOVE 21 going backwards to MOVE 15. ???
> what's going on? As white starts to win it should be complete with
> variations and comments?
>
> This seems very strange because it will always assign around a -2.00
> for my 13th move Bc4 however when playing against itself at slow time
> controls it goes on to win with my move!
> You would think it would at least give a few variations for
> white/black when "I start turning the tide " in whites favor. BUT IT
> DOESN'T. So in essence it is saying that my move 13.Bc4 is a blunder (but
it
> is not because F5 beats F5 using my move) and it doesn't do any analysis
> going backwards for either side moves 21-15.
>
> So here you have it. Fritz 5 is contradicting itself!  My 13th move
> is bad for F5 in all types of analysis but even F5 wins with it? (but why
> doesn't it give any comments in the analysis either going from move 21 to
> 15?? )
>
> This is the first time Fritzie has let me down... I would really
> like to get to the bottom of this ? Maybe Hiarcs,Mchesspro, will analyze
my
> game move 21 to 15 better than Fritzie? That seems hard to believe. Thanks
> so much and let me know what you come up with ! Maybe my friend Fritz has
> been put in "TILT"  :?)
>
>



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