Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 08:46:18 11/23/99
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On November 23, 1999 at 00:51:32, Pete Galati wrote:
>On November 22, 1999 at 22:43:47, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On November 22, 1999 at 21:40:18, Pete Galati wrote:
>>
>>>On November 22, 1999 at 18:35:05, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 22, 1999 at 18:02:57, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 21, 1999 at 20:36:21, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On November 21, 1999 at 17:25:15, Jari Huikari wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On November 21, 1999 at 14:28:58, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>With Sargon 5 you have to be in Dos, it won't work in a Dos window
>>>>>>>>at all. Sargon III however might be a different story, it might be willing to
>>>>>>>>run in a Dos window.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I guess no "PC VIC-emulator" could help me to run my Sargon II, because
>>>>>>>it's on cartridge! (which needs muscles of Samson to be placed to it's hole
>>>>>>>in VIC's backside. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I hope to find somewhere working TV-modulator for my VIC. All the other
>>>>>>>parts are still working, but it's too much "blindfold", if the screen
>>>>>>>doesn't show you even the coordinates of computer's moves. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If I get a modulator I could challenge the program with my Nero or
>>>>>>>perhaps with other opponents too by corresponding the moves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Only problem I remember: When I did board setups with Sargon II, it
>>>>>>>didn't allow double pawn moves like e2-e4... And I'd like to switch VIC
>>>>>>>off while waiting for opponents moves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In junior high school we played with a friend a game Sargon II v. Sargon II
>>>>>>>with two VICs (level 6). Black's second move 2...Nc6 took about one hour and
>>>>>>>later the game slowed down even more... I don't remember if we had enough
>>>>>>>patience to ever finish the game. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jari
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'd never seen the older Sargons, even though Sargon 5 is very dated, it seems
>>>>>>to be somewhat advanced compared to what you describe. I went back to Dos and
>>>>>>played a couple games against it today since it's name came up, very enjoyable
>>>>>>games, Sargon plays very different Chess than the modern programs. I'd recomend
>>>>>>the program to people but everyone wants sleek modern interfaces and everything,
>>>>>>and Sargon does not have that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Pete
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sargon V for PC is not bad.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is the PC port of the very famous Mach II dedicated computer.
>>>>>
>>>>>The interesting thing about it is that it uses hash tables (but you have to boot
>>>>>with an EMS driver), and that it is a brute-force program with no extensions. I
>>>>>think there is not even the check extension, and that it does almost no
>>>>>selectivity (just plain alpha-beta).
>>>>>
>>>>>So it's interesting because it is sometimes able to find holes against a
>>>>>selective program.
>>>>>
>>>>>However generally it gets killed because of lack of depth in its search.
>>>>>
>>>>>I can run it in a W95 DOS box, so I don't understand why you can't.
>>>>
>>>>I might need to sit down and try other pif settings for it's shortcut, as it is
>>>>now it restarts into Dos before starting.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The trick was to in the properties/program/advanced settings area to select
>>>"Prevent MS-Dos program from detecting Windows" and then Sargon seemed to work
>>>OK in Windows, other than eventually having the mouse freeze up when I tried to
>>>play it against Bringer (it did make it to around move 30 though) it did quite
>>>well, it seemed to be ahead in that game, it's a shame I could not finish the
>>>game.
>>>
>>>Thanks Christophe, I probably would not have tried that if you hadn't mentioned
>>>being able to do that, I really thought it wasn't posible to run it in Windows,
>>>shows you how little I know.
>>>
>>>Pete
>>>
>>>[.....
>>
>>
>>I did not have to prevent Windows detection, so you definitely have a different
>>version...
>>
>>I think that if you want Sargon to use hash tables you have to provide it with
>>EMS memory. In this case you might have to tweak something in your CONFIG.SYS.
>>Maybe just setting the DOS box properties does the trick, I'm not sure.
>>
>>
>> Christophe
>
>When you say EMS do you mean expanded memory? I have that loaded into
>config.sys like this: "DEVICE=C:\WIND95\EMM386.EXE ram" rather than specifying a
>number this kind of provides expanded memory as needed.
So I think it's OK.
> I think that Sargon is
>the only program that I have at the moment that has any need for expanded
>memory, I'll have to go back and check the pif to see if I maybe need to specify
>something in there for using exp mem it in Windows, could be.
I think the defaut setting is to allocate EMS if the program requires it, so it
might be OK too.
I had another program that required EMS: Kasparov Gambit (it could not run
without).
Oh... And also Chess Tiger 10.0 could use both extended and expanded memory.
Christophe
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