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Subject: Re: Rebel10 (4 allan johnson)

Author: Chessfun

Date: 08:47:28 11/27/99

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On November 27, 1999 at 11:30:22, Chessfun wrote:

>On November 27, 1999 at 02:08:20, allan johnson wrote:
>
>>On November 26, 1999 at 03:12:49, allan johnson wrote:
>>
>>> Could someone with a Rebel 10 on a fairly fast machine tell me how long it
>>>takes to find Bb5 in the following problem.
>>>2r1r1k1/pp1bb2p/3pppp1/q6n/4P2Q/2N1BPP/PPP1BP2/2KR2R1 (white to move)
>>> On my Celeron 433 64mb ram Rebel 9 finds Bb5 in 1.17min.It is not until
>>>2.43mins that it also locates the sac bxg5 after 1Bb5 Bxb5 2Qxh4 g5.Up until
>>>then it suggests h4.
>>>I'd also be interested in how long it takes Fritz6 to find the moves Results
>>>will effect my next computer chess program purchase.
>>>Thanks Allan
>>
>>Sorry about the stuff up.Late night you know.Anyway it should read
>>2N1BPP1 on line 6 and Qxh5 move 2.
>
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>Again this is wrong should be 2N1BP1P on line 6.
>
>Anyway takes my rebel10 c strongest settings 10 secs to see it,
>19 secs on cel 433a 64mb ram to post the line.
>Line at 19 secs 1.. Bb5 Bxb5 2.. Qxh5 g5 3.. Be3xg5 f6xg5 4.. Rg1xg5+.
>
>Rebel 9 same machine.
>Takes exactly the same time to see the exact same line.
>
>Maybe you are looking at line C score for your 1.17 not line A time?
>since I get at 1.09 mins with sys tiger on rebel 10 a line score
>of 1.17 with the line you produced.
>
>Thanks.
>
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BTW takes Hiarcs 7.32 same machine 41 kn/s only 3 secs to see it at depth 7/23
then it changes to 1 e5 and stays with that for the two mins i tried it
posting +- (1.45). for 1..e5 Kh8 2..exd6 Bf8 3..f4

Fritz 5.32 16 secs to post.
1.. Bb5 and stays with it posting +- (1.84)after 1.22 mins at depth 11/37.
Thanks.
>
>
>>The position arises from a game back in 1986 between Hitech and Schach 2.7
>>Dr Laszlo Lindner who reviewed the game in Chess Life (nov 1986) said that
>>Hitech's creative achievement in this game represented a milestone in computer
>>chess."If Schach 2.7 had accepted White's rook sac on move 23 there would
>> have been 10 distinct mating variations with the black king mated on 10
>>differnt squares!"
>>The full game is below
>> White Hitech
>> Black Schach
>> Opening Sicilian Defence
>> 1e4 c5
>> 2Nf3 d6
>> 3Bc4 e6
>> 4d4 cxd4
>> 5Nxd4 Nf6
>> 6Nc3 Be7
>> 7Be3 Nbd7
>> 8Qd2 Ne5
>> 9Be2 0-0
>> 10h3 Bd7
>> 11Nf3 Nxf3+
>> 12gxf3 Qa5
>> 130-0-0 Rac8?(Rfc8)
>> 14Rhg1 Rfe8
>> 15Bh6 g6
>> 16Bg5 Qc5? b5 was suggested
>> 17Qf4 Nh5 I know Fischer can get away with it but knights on
>>            the side of the board?Hmmm
>> 18Qh4 f6
>> 19Be3 Qa5
>> 20Bb5! Bxb5
>> 21Qxh5 g5 Apparently at this stage GM Hort said that if you played
>>           21..Rxc3 then black threatens 22...Rxc2+! 23Kb1 Rxb2+!!
>>           24Kxb2 Qb4+ and black forces mate.Hans Berliner, the
>>            developer of Hitech then pointed out that Hitech calculated
>>           mate in 7 after 21...Rxc3 22Rxg6+ Kh8 23Qxh7+Kxh7 24Rh6+ Kg7
>>            25Rg1 Kf8 26Rh8+ Kf7 27Rh7+ Kf8 28Bh6 mate.Everyone in the hall
>>            ,according to Lindner, was stupified.
>>             Anyway back to the game
>> 22Bxg5 fxg3
>> 23Rxg5+!! Kh8
>> 24R(d)g1  Resigns
>> So what do people think of the standard of play in this game?How does it
>> rate in terms of chess understanding in relation to today's programs/
>> Is it possible to evaluate a progam's strenght from a game like this?
>> As I said in one comment Knights on the side of the board is something I try to
>>avoid.I know that sometimes it's difficult to do and a situation might arise
>>in which it is useful to put it there.The point is though could the position
>>have been avoided with better previous moves?Comments anyone?
>>Regards Rabbits



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