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Subject: Re: Positional/Real Sacrifice

Author: Alessandro Damiani

Date: 10:40:09 11/29/99

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On November 29, 1999 at 00:32:17, Peter McKenzie wrote:

>The following position is from a blitz game between Hossa and Beadle (LambChop)
>on ICC:
>
>r3q1k1/ppp1rpp1/2n1b2p/8/2P2B2/3B4/PPPQ1RPP/5RK1 w - -
>
>Hossa played Bxh6 and wiped Beadle out.  This position is an interesting test of
>king safety evaluation, as there is no short range mate or win of material after
>the sac although I'm pretty confident the sac is correct.
>
>I tried this position with LambChop, and it too liked Bxh6 giving it a score of
>about +0.5 pawns from depths 4 thru 8.  On depths 9-10 it switched to Qc3 with a
>similar score of around +0.5, then at depth 11 it switched back to Bxh6 and the
>score jumps to +1.4.  Depth 12 is still Bxh6 at +1.6.
>
>We discussed this position a bit on ICC, Bob ran it on Crafty which didn't want
>to play Bxh6.  Peter Kappler ran it on Hiarcs which liked Bxh6 straight away
>with a +1 score!  Diep also liked Bxh6 from early on, and had an even higher
>score.  I wonder what Hiarcs and Diep are doing in eval that Crafty isn't... or
>vice-versa.
>
>How about other programs?
>What do the human chess experts think?
>
>If that position is too hard, it might be productive to play down the main line
>of accepting the sacrifice.  So after 1.Bxh6 gxh6 2.Qxh6 we have:
>
>r3q1k1/ppp1rp2/2n1b2Q/8/2P5/3B4/PPP2RPP/5RK1 b - -
>
>Here LambChop gets a score jump from -0.2 at ply 7 to -1.7 at ply 8.  Not quite
>sure why :-)
>
>cheers,
>Peter

Hi Peter,

the current version of Fortress has a new kingsafety (finally stable :). On a
Celeron 333MHz with a hashtable of 16.8MB:

depth	 score    time				nodes  PV
---------------------------------------------------------
  1      43      100            3  Bf4-g3
  1     163      100           41  Bf4xh6 g7xh6 Qd2xh6
  1     163      100           54  Bf4xh6 g7xh6 Qd2xh6
  2     163      100           98  Bf4xh6 g7xh6 Qd2xh6
  2     163      100          157  Bf4xh6 g7xh6 Qd2xh6
  3     136      100          680  Bf4xh6 g7xh6 Qd2xh6
  3     136      100         2302  Bf4xh6 g7xh6 Qd2xh6
  4     144      100         3063  Bf4xh6 g7xh6 Qd2xh6 Be6-g4
  4     144      100         5552  Bf4xh6 g7xh6 Qd2xh6 Be6-g4
  5     161      100        10437  Bf4xh6 g7xh6 Rf2-f6 Nc6-e5 Rf6xh6 Ne5xd3
c2xd3
  5     161      100        51757  Bf4xh6 g7xh6 Rf2-f6 Nc6-e5 Rf6xh6 Ne5xd3
c2xd3
  6     203      200       103241  Bf4xh6 Nc6-e5 Qd2-g5 Ne5-g6 Bd3xg6 f7xg6
  6     203      300       194070  Bf4xh6 Nc6-e5 Qd2-g5 Ne5-g6 Bd3xg6 f7xg6
  7     221      500       298566  Bf4xh6 Nc6-e5 Qd2-g5 Ne5-g6 Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7
Rf1-e1
  7     221     1500      1082327  Bf4xh6 Nc6-e5 Qd2-g5 Ne5-g6 Bh6xg7 Kg8xg7
Rf1-e1
  8     195     1900      1382502  Bf4xh6 Nc6-e5 Qd2-g5 Ne5-g6 Qg5-h5 g7xh6
Bd3-e2 Be6xc4
  8     195     4900      3464042  Bf4xh6 Nc6-e5 Qd2-g5 Ne5-g6 Qg5-h5 g7xh6
Bd3-e2 Be6xc4
  9     210     6500      4693571  Bf4xh6 Nc6-e5 Bh6-g5 Re7-d7 Rf1-e1 Ne5xd3
c2xd3 Rd7-d4 Qd2-b4 Rd4xd3 Qb4xb7
  9     210    18500     12917713  Bf4xh6 Nc6-e5 Bh6-g5 Re7-d7 Rf1-e1 Ne5xd3
c2xd3 Rd7-d4 Qd2-b4 Rd4xd3 Qb4xb7
 10     247    40000     28328148  Bf4xh6 f7-f6 Bh6xg7 Re7xg7 Rf2xf6 Be6-f7
Rf1-e1 Qe8-f8 Qd2-f4 Ra8-c8
 10     247    64500     44808241  Bf4xh6 f7-f6 Bh6xg7 Re7xg7 Rf2xf6 Be6-f7
Rf1-e1 Qe8-f8 Qd2-f4 Ra8-c8

The new version will be out soon.

Alessandro



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