Author: Fernando Villegas
Date: 13:22:15 12/01/99
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On December 01, 1999 at 14:18:09, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote: >On December 01, 1999 at 12:59:53, blass uri wrote: > >>On December 01, 1999 at 11:47:08, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote: >> >> >><snipped> >>>but I can't touch the masters. Why? I am not smart enough. I only have an IQ >>>of 137 and that is slipping every day. >> >>I do not think that most of the masters have more than IQ 137. >>It is a question of learning the game and talent for chess and not of IQ. >> >>I believe that my talent for chess is not very good because I cannot see many >>moves forward without seeing the board. >> >>Inspite of this fact I did a very good result in my last tounament including a >>daw with 2 masters and a win against one master and my final performance out of >>7 games was 2183 (The masters were not very strong masters(rating only >>2200-2300)) and my rating is going to be again more than 2000 >> >>Uri > >Uri, > >You are partially correct. I can beat the snot out of my 170 IQ M.D. or PhD >associates on the chessboard. I think that if they practiced though it would be >the other way around. I really do think that at the high master level of chess >you do need "smarts". Really smart is at the level of Sir Isaac Newton or >Steven Hawkings or John Von Neumann---That is so bright that one would think of >these folks as Martians. You can probably play better chess than these guys. > >I am also very good at mopping the floor with the smart people when it comes to >blitz chess. There again, I think that it is merely a matter of practice. If I >played Anand or Miles or Benjamin at blitz I would go down in flames in twenty >moves or less. > >The truth is that neither of us is as dumb as they think they are. My point was >that CCC members are not "average" chess players and that,indeed, they can more >frequently beat the machines. Average chess players usually get slaughtered by >the top chess programs. > >Respectfully, > >TJ Frohlick Respect to that relation between IQ and chess hability, I remember a boy in my scholl that was near moron IQ level, but he beat all of us almost without thinking. It seems chess talent is a very specific thing that can be or not related with IQ, that is a measure that reflects another kind of intelectual endeavour. Nevertheles, if you see what kind of people are high level players, it is truth they tend to be at the same time highly intelligent, but more because they are high level pros or people with high level studies; tha's the reason they tend to be people in the region of 135 IQ or more. But even in that level there is not correlation in the strict sense of the word, that is to say, is not the case that the 175 IQ master plays better than the 135 IQ master; they all are smart people with different kinds of minds oriented to different kinds of task. In fact, once you are an adult and you have followed certain professional path, all that thing measured with IQ tends to lose his importance or sense; you have not anymore general potential, but you have "programmed" your resources to some task and even because of that it could be that you lose some hability to solve fast enough IQ test as when you was young. But, are you less intelligent? BTW, in the school I had a very similar IQ to yours -143- and nevertheless that almost-moron boy all the time cutted me in pieces on the board. Of course I knew nothing about IQ, I just got confused to see how bad a player was I and how good was he, the recognized idiot of the group. So is life. Now I am not sure what idiocy really means. Perhaps to expend so much time here? Fernando
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