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Subject: Re: Games Tiger - Shredder 4

Author: Enrique Irazoqui

Date: 02:47:43 12/03/99

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I double checked and you are right, it is probably the Comment what introduces
the delay. I didn't notice the voice because my spealers are normally switched
off. I must have tinkered with the settings yesterday because now all sound
options were off and S4 was autoplaying without the delay I mentioned.

Enrique

>On December 03, 1999 at 04:43:45, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote:
>
>>On December 02, 1999 at 11:14:22, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>
>>>On December 02, 1999 at 09:22:52, James T. Walker wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 02, 1999 at 06:43:04, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>First 3 games Rebel-Tiger against Shredder 4. Tiger was on a PII-300 with 64MB
>>>>>hashtables and Shredder on a PIII-500 with 128MB hash and Nalimov tablebases.
>>>>>With strict chess rules, S4 would have lost the third game on time, given the
>>>>>delay I mentioned in another post between playing and transmitting moves. It's
>>>>>interesting to see how it manages against a program that is 2.5 times faster in
>>>>>tactics. Very fine program this Shredder 4.
>>>>>
>>>>>Enrique
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hello Enrique,
>>>>I missed your other post concerning the delay between transmitting and playing
>>>>moves.  I'm not sure what you mean by Shredder losing on time.  If you are
>>>>playing Auto232 games it seems to me that Shredder should only lose if the time
>>>>has expired on it's own clock before making the time control.  If you mean that
>>>>Rebel-Tiger claimed a win on time when Shredder still showed time on it's own
>>>>clock then Shredder should not lose because of the delay.  Just my opinion of
>>>>course.
>>>>Jim Walker
>>>
>>>Shredder 4 has a delay of 7 to 10 seconds from the moment it plays to the moment
>>>it transmits the move. During this delay, S4 appears to do nothing at all, but
>>>it is as if a player would move without letting the opponent see the move. It
>>>must be an innocent bug, but the wasted time is there and applying strict
>>>tournament rules it should be added to the clock. I counted the game as the draw
>>>that happened on the board, but...
>>>
>>>Enrique
>>
>>
>>Did you switch off all the new commenting features in Shredder4?
>
>Yes. Sound, Announce moves and Comment moves are off.
>
>>I bet you don't have a sound card or speaker installed and Shredder is
>>commenting all of his and Tiger's moves.
>
>I do have sound card and speakers installed. This delay happens also when
>Shredder plays on the portable HP, also with Comment, Announce and Sound off.
>
>> This is the only thing I can think of
>>which can cause the delay. If it's true forget all of your results. The
>>commenting features "steals" abour 50% cpu time.
>
>I see a speed of 110 to 120K NPS in the middle game on the PIII-500, and
>"computer speed" is 1398. Is this correct?
>
>Enrique
>
>>Stefan



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