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Subject: Re: What will be the position of Windows in 3, 4 years in the future?

Author: Eugene Nalimov

Date: 10:58:35 12/06/99

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Here is promiced URL:

http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,1015266,00.html

Please notice that they cooperate with Red Hat this time, and their explanation
of bad Linux performance is differs from yours :-) And I will not more
participate in the religious OS war...

Eugene

On December 06, 1999 at 09:07:28, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On December 06, 1999 at 00:53:03, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>
>>On December 05, 1999 at 21:11:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>[deleted]
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>>>That isn't exactly true.  Microsoft has _definitely_ noticed it.  They noticed
>>>it enough to run a SMP test with a terribly mis-configured linux box, so that
>>>they could show how much better NT performs as a file server, and a http
>>>server, and so forth.  :)  I can supply some _real_ data for anyone that is
>>>interested...
>>
>>Not exactly true. MS *paid* for a test, and company who tested was not able to
>>configure Linux properly (they asked for help in a newsgroup and Red Hat, but
>>got no answer; people at Red Hat after that asked "why you asked for help in a
>>technical department, and not in marketing?").
>>
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>A couple of issues.  They asked in a newsgroup.  And within 12 hours were
>running the test.  They picked just about the _only_ SCSI controller that
>didn't work with SMP.  Several said "use the buslogic bt958 controller, we
>_know_ it works in SMP perfectly."  They used something else, typical.
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>>PC Magazine labs repeated the test on a properly configured Linux (they called a
>>lot of Linux people for help during configuring - I doubt average business will
>>be get such a help; experience of the first company is more common, IMHO).
>>Results were much better for a Linux this time, but still worse than NT. If I
>>remember correctly, part of the problem was that SMP support in Linux kernel was
>>in (late) beta, part was lack of drivers for the latest SCSI controllers, part
>>was some extra locks on Apache (or Zeus?), limiting its scalability. Maybe those
>>problems are already fixed, but IMHO Linux is still not scalable enough when you
>>are talking about thousands of simutaneous clients (I worked at MS SQL Server
>>group for several years, and I believe I understand those issues).
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>The problem was they misconfigured apache.  Each request spawned a new thread,
>with _no_ throttling of any kind.  Which totally swamped the machine.  I can
>offer them access to an SMP box that will run with any NT benchmark they want
>to use...  We did quite a bit of benchmarking NT vs Linux for NFS servers,
>httpd stuff (web), and so forth.  Linux came out on top by a measurable amount.
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>>I have the exact URL in my office; if there is interest I'll post it tomorrow,
>>and this will be my last message in that off-topic thread.
>>
>>Eugene



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