Author: Lonnie Cook
Date: 14:05:03 12/08/99
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On December 07, 1999 at 19:50:16, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On December 07, 1999 at 19:18:12, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote: > >>It is an insult to Marty Hirsch to state that MChessPro v.8 was a half-hearted >>attempt to program a computer chess adversary. If I know Hirsch, he is probably >>planning some chess program that has over 10 Gigabytes of chess knowledge in it. >> You will of course need to be running Win2000 or NT and have a 30 Gigabyte hard >>drive on a 1500 Megahertz computer. > >I don't like the way the people talk about martys program here, too. Sorry Thorsten , I call them the way I see them.I mean they don't even test it anymore for the SSDF list with the hiher-end computers? Why? > >Mchess has a lot of knowledge in it. >it is a professional program. >you cannot say: oh - mchess is not anymore state of the art. >it has something unique still in it that was from the very first I agree, it was unique, beautiful in its concepts BUT something went downhill after ver 5 AND this shows by Marty's abandoning it. I mean Mark Uniacke of HIARCS fame works full-time and look at his program! >moment in it, and was tuned and tuned and brought to its best. iT WAS over-tuned to the point that the moves it made were foolish and senseless. I saw this time and time again on ICC as I used ver 8,7 and 6 > >and - although other programs have (maybe) overtaken mchess8 due to >new (later found) search algorithms or new inventions in search algorithms, >you should better not underestimate mchess. > >we should better always count with marty hirsch. he does not seem to be the >guy you should underestimate. > > >i have come to the conclusion (by testing his program and talking with him and >watching him talk and discuss) >that he has a very strong will and mind and goes his own way. if his will and mind is so strong then why is he giving up?? >you should not underestimate a genius mind going its own way. >never. kinda like Fischer,heehee > > >>Those of you who have not played the Hirsch program should consider it. It is a >>DOS program but it kicks butt. Marty put his heart and soul into this program. > >exactly. and that can be felt in almost any mchess version right from the >beginning. > > >>The reason that it plays a bit weaker against computers is the fact that it is a >>slow searcher. Just be brave enough to play it head to head with your own >>noggin and it will scramble your gliae. > >if you give mchess 40/120 time, the advantage of the fast-searchers is not that >big ... than mchess has enough time. > >>Mchess Pro v 8 has received excellent reviews by Komputer Korner and others at >>this site and it really is a good program to have in your collection. > >exactly. >marty hirsch is not dead. many other programmers have shown before that they >are always good for a showdown with the best NEW programmers i the scene. >remember how kittinger after a long time only doing dedicated chess >computers/machines did w-chess and made an amazing tough monster again. > >marty is alive. it may be he is working on other things too in the moment. >but i am sure that he is also from time to time working on his chess program. >maybe he needs time. we should give him the time. >and in the moment he has something he thinks it is a progress, i will buy it. >because i do trust in his judgement, because i have bought his products >before and will do it again. >mchess was really the first intelligent chess programs for ibm-compatible-pc's. >mchess was a new quality in a.i. in computerchess. >hardware progress has made it easy for the fast searchers to compete against >intelligent programs with their dump programs. > >but as last championship (paderborn) has shown (and i know from interviews >stefan meyer kahlen has given) : >it seems that >we have gone over a turning-point. >the intelligent programs have enough hardware-power >to stand the dump fast searchers. >the dump searchers cannot anymore outsearch the intelligent programs. >they have to change their strategy when they want to make wins. >a smart mchess can suddenly be on top of any list. >its just a matter of tuning. >i am sure if marty has help of a team of people, mchess can be the leader >again. just a question of tuning. > > >>Tim Frohlick
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