Author: Lonnie Cook
Date: 14:11:09 12/08/99
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On December 08, 1999 at 12:38:49, Manuel Leone wrote: >On December 07, 1999 at 19:50:16, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>On December 07, 1999 at 19:18:12, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote: >> >>>It is an insult to Marty Hirsch to state that MChessPro v.8 was a half-hearted >>>attempt to program a computer chess adversary. If I know Hirsch, he is probably >>>planning some chess program that has over 10 Gigabytes of chess knowledge in it. >>> You will of course need to be running Win2000 or NT and have a 30 Gigabyte hard >>>drive on a 1500 Megahertz computer. >> >>I don't like the way the people talk about martys program here, too. >> >>Mchess has a lot of knowledge in it. >>it is a professional program. >>you cannot say: oh - mchess is not anymore state of the art. >>it has something unique still in it that was from the very first >>moment in it, and was tuned and tuned and brought to its best. >> >>and - although other programs have (maybe) overtaken mchess8 due to >>new (later found) search algorithms or new inventions in search algorithms, >>you should better not underestimate mchess. >> >>we should better always count with marty hirsch. he does not seem to be the >>guy you should underestimate. >> >> >>i have come to the conclusion (by testing his program and talking with him and >>watching him talk and discuss) >>that he has a very strong will and mind and goes his own way. >>you should not underestimate a genius mind going its own way. >>never. >> >> >>>Those of you who have not played the Hirsch program should consider it. It is a >>>DOS program but it kicks butt. Marty put his heart and soul into this program. >> >>exactly. and that can be felt in almost any mchess version right from the >>beginning. >> >> >>>The reason that it plays a bit weaker against computers is the fact that it is a >>>slow searcher. Just be brave enough to play it head to head with your own >>>noggin and it will scramble your gliae. >> >>if you give mchess 40/120 time, the advantage of the fast-searchers is not that >>big ... than mchess has enough time. >> >>>Mchess Pro v 8 has received excellent reviews by Komputer Korner and others at >>>this site and it really is a good program to have in your collection. >> >>exactly. >>marty hirsch is not dead. many other programmers have shown before that they >>are always good for a showdown with the best NEW programmers i the scene. >>remember how kittinger after a long time only doing dedicated chess >>computers/machines did w-chess and made an amazing tough monster again. >> >>marty is alive. it may be he is working on other things too in the moment. >>but i am sure that he is also from time to time working on his chess program. >>maybe he needs time. we should give him the time. I totally agree, M just saying for what it is, it is.. and this is what its like. its like pool,bowling, sometimes u have to get away for a bit, then u get hungry again. I don't blame Marty for wanting to live and make $$. M sure no one is making 100K/yr doing chess programming .. maybe some :>) >>and in the moment he has something he thinks it is a progress, i will buy it. >>because i do trust in his judgement, because i have bought his products >>before and will do it again. >>mchess was really the first intelligent chess programs for ibm-compatible-pc's. >>mchess was a new quality in a.i. in computerchess. >>hardware progress has made it easy for the fast searchers to compete against >>intelligent programs with their dump programs. >> >>but as last championship (paderborn) has shown (and i know from interviews >>stefan meyer kahlen has given) : >>it seems that >>we have gone over a turning-point. >>the intelligent programs have enough hardware-power >>to stand the dump fast searchers. >>the dump searchers cannot anymore outsearch the intelligent programs. >>they have to change their strategy when they want to make wins. yes, I agree wiht this too, HIARCS,CSTal and M sure some others bear this point out brutally >>a smart mchess can suddenly be on top of any list. >>its just a matter of tuning. >>i am sure if marty has help of a team of people, mchess can be the leader >>again. just a question of tuning. I've always offered to test it for him, SOmeone give him a call and l test his every ver on my new SuperG in 2-3 weeks on ICC whenever he wants. >> > >Some of you may recall that a few years ago it was suspected that Mchess 5.0 >included a secret opening book which was designed to beat Genius 3.0 and move to >the top of the SSDF list. If you play these two programs against each other, you >will notice that many of Mchess's moves are instantaneous even when has >completed all of its moves from the regular opening book. This suggests to me >that Mchess got many of its rating points by fraudulent means--trying to >increase sales by beating the top program and getting on top of the rating list, >instead of actually developing a better program. learning and book tuning, everyone does it!
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