Author: Tina Long
Date: 21:22:20 12/09/99
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On December 07, 1999 at 21:37:36, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On December 07, 1999 at 01:21:46, Tina Long wrote: > >>On December 05, 1999 at 19:47:14, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On December 05, 1999 at 14:25:36, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>> >>>>it isn't "astounding". >>>>Torstein spoke about Fritz6. >>>>You talk about fritz5.32. >>>>we don't know so far where fritz6 will rank. >>>> >>>>also we don't know if fritz5.32 would react in the same >>>>way than fritz6 in torsteins experience. >>> >>>fritz6 looks tactical stronger and a bit more aggressive tuned >>>a la nimzo. Hard to say whether tactical stronger is derived >>>from the more aggressive tuning or from seeing more... >>>...anyway nothing changed in its eval seemingly, just a few parameter >>>settings as usual... >> >>Hi Vincent, >>I'm not clear what you are meaning here. >> >>"nothing changed in its eval seemingly" are you meaning the Fritz6 engine seems >>to be the same as the Fritz5.32 engine? > > >>"just a few parameter settings" such as we change in CM6k or RebelCentury >>"personalities? > >exactly, though the search HAS changed in fritz6 seemingly. looks more >robust and fair to me now. > >>"as usual" that this not-new engine but tweaked old engine is usually what is >>sold? How many versions are the same engine in Fritz? > >i don't see much difference between the evaluation of > >genius 3 to genius 6 > >i don't see much difference between the evaluation of > >fritz 5.16 to fritz6 > >i do see clear search changes in nearly every program, > >though in rebel they seem very slightly after rebel8 was out. >i don't see much difference in eval between rebel 8, rebel 9 and rebel 10 >either. Clearly there was much difference in search and especially >the standard search settings of rebel10c as downloadable from the >rebel homepage to try it out it was having a kind of 'trick mode' >standard turned on, which did not play very well on icc, >but did solve to my amazement all kind of tricks in especially ECM >testsets that no rebel solved before in decent times. > >It would be hard to ignore such a major standard trick setting and >say nothing was changed. > >I FEEL positionally they didn't play stronger. At least at the positions >i tested these programs didn't do different moves. > >Fritz5.32 however i found a bit different from 5.16 at deep searches. >As if it was adding from a bit less deeper in the tree mobility, or >better tuned piece square tables, i don't know. Changes were small >seemingly though. > >Fritz6 is changed in this respect that it looks to me more like a >super-nimzo version when talking about tuning, >than a fritz5.32 did, though search in contradiction >to nimzo looks very robust to me where nimzo's search looks like one >alfabeta dependant bug. > >>This worries me, as I (and my Father) spend a large amount on what are sold as >>New engines. >>Thankyou, >>Tina Long > >Well, some people are getting every year a new car though only >they only seemingly change they sometimes get is a bit rounder >lights, they hammered another area of the car a bit flatter. > >At a certain time some programmers have tuned their engines so well >that it's hard to get additional rating points only out of the >knowledge that's inside of the engine. > >I felt this clearly was the case with fritz5, >rebel8, genius3, wchess, junior 4.6 > >Ok programmers start shooting or you might sell 10 copies less >to this small group of dudes reading this CCC area. Thanks very much Vincent, I appreciate your comments on this. I have no disagreements with what you say (I can't always agree as often I don't know). Tina Long
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