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Subject: Re: Stupid chess programs!!! And that goes for most of them!

Author: Djordje Vidanovic

Date: 14:24:14 12/15/99

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On December 15, 1999 at 15:01:58, John Stanback wrote:

>On December 15, 1999 at 12:05:52, Djordje Vidanovic wrote:
>
>>On December 15, 1999 at 11:44:52, Torstein Hall wrote:
>>
>>>Take the following position and setup on your PC:
>>>
>>>4b3/1r4k1/p3pr2/1p1pPp2/PPpP1Pp1/2P3Pp/K6P/8 w - - 0 1
>>>
>>>Every human would play 1.a5 without thinking, but your chessprogram plays
>>>1.exf6+??? It may be wrong to call a program stupid but.....
>>>
>>>Torstein
>>>
>>>( So far I have only tried it on Fritz 6 and Hiarcs 7.32 )
>>
>>Torstein,
>>
>>you are pushing the cart before the horse.  Making hasty generalizations, etc.
>>Not all programs would capture the Rook.  I've had time to try only Zarkov 4.30
>>(an awesome program, by the way) and it says, after only a couple of seconds,
>>that 1.a5!! is the best move.  I kept it on for several minutes and 1.a5 is
>>still its PV.  There must be some other programs that are just like Zarkov :))
>>
>>The position that you picked out is the standard AI demonstration about AI
>>stupidity (oxymoron, ain't it?), but it won't hold water for long.  Think
>>positively, please.
>>
>>Djordje
>
>I tried this on the latest Zarkov and it chooses exf6 at all iterations
>(up to 5 minutes or so, i didn't try longer than that).  I've never had
>any special code for this kind of situation so I'm surprised that 4.30
>would play a5.  Perhaps you played through some variations and Zarkov's
>learn feature kicked in?
>
>
>John

No, no learning.  I have just checked it out again.  I've always thought that
Zarkov was a mighty prog, ever since I played more than 1,000 games with Zarkov
2.5 that I bought ages ago... My machine is a PII-400.  Go back to 4.30 and try
it out, please.

Djordje



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