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Subject: Re: winboard engines under Fritz6

Author: Frank Quisinsky

Date: 14:19:47 12/16/99

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On December 16, 1999 at 16:58:51, James Robertson wrote:

>On December 16, 1999 at 08:38:03, Georg v. Zimmermann wrote:
>
>I agree completely; the Fritz interface has some serious flaws. While the engine
>_does_ know how much time it has left, it does not know how much its opponent
>has left. This can create problems when offering/accepting draws, etc.
>
>Unless the engine is specially designed it does lose the learning information.
>This is a problem with long matches....
>
>My program is very reliant on a book that fits its style. Fritz can get in the
>way of this if one is not careful.
>
>There are many good things too, but I really wish Chessbase would redesign the
>communication protocol.

I hope so ... :-)
But the GUI is fantastic !

Frank

>James
>
>
>>On December 15, 1999 at 22:02:15, brian robson wrote:
>>
>>>Successfully installed all available free winboard engines except:
>>>SOS, Dragon, Lchop and Newrival. All the engines are able to use their own
>>>opening books except fortress, anmon and zchess. Currently running an automatic
>>>tourney of all the engines plus fritz6 fritz 5.32 and hiarc7.32.This is a great
>>>feature of Fritz GUI. You can just sleep off while allowing the tourney to
>>>continue on his own.
>>
>>I hope you realize that the fritz winboard adapter is seriously flawed.
>>
>>1.) The engines do not know how much time they have left. Image you as a human
>>play a game where you know that you have average 10mins/10moves while your
>>opponent knows the exact time control: 60mins/game. You would play too fast in
>>the midlegame and loose on time in the endgame ... thats what happenes.
>>
>>2.) A lot of engines loose all the hashtable-data because fritz sends the "new"
>>command + the whole game before every new move.
>>
>>3.) This does stop the learning feature of many engines as well.
>>
>>4.) opening books are important for some engines, especially fortress for
>>example.
>>
>>5.) You sure that Fritz and friends get the same amount of HT than the other
>>engines ? I'm not.
>>
>>... and other things I probably forgot.
>>
>>> Imagine if winboard were to have this feature!!!!
>>
>>Why don't you run a few games between 2 engines while at sleep (if you only want
>>to play 1-3 games between every engine your result isn't gonna be very reliable
>>anyway ;-) ) and then set it up for the next two engines.... there goes your
>>RoundRobin tourney...
>>
>>
>>>Have a nice day.
>>
>>You too!
>>
>>Georg



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