Author: Roger
Date: 23:06:20 12/17/99
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Your reply is classic Thorsten Czub. :) Well, no need to freak out, Thorsten. What I said was that IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, your decision SUPPORTS what others have ALLEDGED: That you are biased. I did not say that I AGREED with them whether you are biased. I know don't whether you are biased or not, and I don't really care. Everyone has their favorite programs. You have yours. I never claimed that you were biased. I said OTHERS have ALLEDGED that you are biased. What is at issue is whether the programmer of a single engine should be able to CENSOR the results of ENTIRE TOURNAMENT from a particular forum. You say that you will decide whether a particular engine author can censor an entire tournament from an entire forum, "depending on my mind." So then it is not a matter of FACTS which exist independently of your mind and might justify an OBJECTIVE decision...but on something less then? You mention the license agreement of CSTAL. I didn't know the license agreement was so binding that it allowed Chris to censor entire tournaments. I thought the license agreement applied to games played by CSTAL. Gosh, I will have to reread it. ;) Tell me, do I have to sell or burn the CSTAL program to post games between Fritz and Junior. LOL. My guess is that you could publish the cross-tables here, and games between, say, Fritz and Junior, without violating the CSTAL license agreement. Publishing the results of CSTAL would violate the license agreement, since you don't have premission, so don't do it. But what is it that keeps you from publishing games and results between the other engines? The following quote from you is particularly distressing: >in the end you will see, that all programmers pay me to >let their programs win. vincent does, virtual guys do >(i was biased in paris too, they paid me 2000 $ to let virtual win over >cstal). Accusations like the above should not be made lightly. You are, after all, accusing ALL programmers of paying you off. I can't believe this. Such hyperbole only damages your credibility. You are also IMPLYING that you are being paid off in this tournament. I guess I will see it in the end... ;) Roger On December 17, 1999 at 21:13:26, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On December 17, 1999 at 20:34:27, Roger wrote: > >>IMHO, this decision only supports what others have alleged, that you are biased >>toward CSTal. > >??? > >>Let me suggest you run CSTal in the tournament, and post the results as they >>emerge, EXCLUDING CSTal, here. > >you believe i would like to see YOU register cstals results ? >you can believe me, chris and i are in no way interested to >work for others. we have worked on cstal for us. > >>That way, Chris gets his way...no CSTal results in CCC. And, the members of CCC >>get to see the results of the tournament. > >it is not important what the name of a program is. it >is only important how the games are. >i could make the tournament with giving each program a number and not >name them. >i would still be much interested in it. >because i am looking for the games, not for the NAMES. > > >>Seems fair to me. I don't believe that Chris should be able to prevent us from >>seeing matches that his program has nothing to do with. Why should Chris have a >>right to prevent anyone here from seeing Fritz versus Junior, for example, just >>before his program will play them also? > >he is the author of cstal and has rights. > > >>I would also argue that this sets an unfortunate precedent. If another >>programmer objects to the results being posted in RGCC, will you honor that >>request also? > >i will decide depending on my mind. >if e.g. the licence agreement of a special program says: >you are only allowed to post results after getting the permission >by the programmer, i will have to decide different than when the >licence agreement is not restricitive. > > >>Roger > >i have worked with chris many years. >but i do like other programmers and their work too. >you claim that i am biased. >but i said that shredder or tiger would win the championship in paderborn. >so i am biased towards them too. am i ? >also i wrote articles about mchess. so i am biased towards mchess too. >i wrote about rebel. biased towards it. >also i tested zarkov. biased. >i do like uli tuerke, comet programmer. biased. >i like dave kittingers wchess. biased i am. >i like isichess. and , as a result, i am biased. >in the end you will see, that all programmers pay me to >let their programs win. vincent does, virtual guys do >(i was biased in paris too, they paid me 2000 $ to let virtual win over >cstal). > >i was biased in paderborn 1995 when cstal had to fight against hiarcs. > >you are right. i am biased. >because i like computerchess. >and i honor what the programmers do. >i should be punished by death-penalty. > >:-))) >how did i know that hiarcs would win championship 1993. because i was >biased. >i like chrilly donninger. that makes me biased.
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