Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 07:40:46 12/18/99
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On December 18, 1999 at 02:06:20, Roger wrote: >Your reply is classic Thorsten Czub. :) of course. i am getting older and older :-)) >Well, no need to freak out, Thorsten. :-)) > What I said was that IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, >your decision SUPPORTS what others have ALLEDGED: That you are biased. I did not >say that I AGREED with them whether you are biased. I know don't whether you are >biased or not, and I don't really care. Everyone has their favorite programs. >You have yours. I never claimed that you were biased. I said OTHERS have >ALLEDGED that you are biased. others have not told us if they are maybe biased. >What is at issue is whether the programmer of a single engine should be able to >CENSOR the results of ENTIRE TOURNAMENT from a particular forum. this has the background in the fact that chris was one of the founders too and has been banned here later. >You say that you will decide whether a particular engine author can censor an >entire tournament from an entire forum, "depending on my mind." So then it is >not a matter of FACTS which exist independently of your mind and might justify >an OBJECTIVE decision...but on something less then? when i make a decision, depending on my mind :-), it is a matter of facts, independently to whatever else happens. and it is objective of course. i have never heard or listened to what other people might say or advise. ask other people, they will tell you that i have my own damned will and mind. >You mention the license agreement of CSTAL. I didn't know the license agreement >was so binding that it allowed Chris to censor entire tournaments. I thought the >license agreement applied to games played by CSTAL. Gosh, I will have to reread >it. ;) Tell me, do I have to sell or burn the CSTAL program to post games >between Fritz and Junior. LOL. games between fritz and junior are boring. you know why. burn them. >My guess is that you could publish the cross-tables here, and games between, >say, Fritz and Junior, without violating the CSTAL license agreement. maybe. but i will not do so. i can publish it in a forum that has not banned chris. right? if ed would have asked me, or christophe, or mark, or richard. i would have done the same. >Publishing >the results of CSTAL would violate the license agreement, since you don't have >premission, so don't do it. i have never agreed to cstals licence agreement. i have never bought it, so - my agreement is a special on that began in those days when i had an atari st and chris had chess player 2150 for atari ST. Search depth in those days was 2 , sometimes 3 plies. :-)) >But what is it that keeps you from publishing games and results between the >other engines? you can ask many questions. and i can not answer many questions. and you can comment. the decision has been made. sorry, it was not my intention to make long discussions here. i am doing this tournament for me. like each year. 2 time a year. one in the summer. one tournament in the christmas time. One tournament was won by junior. others by hiarcs. and if you look many years ago, one tournament was won by Leonardo Maestro 6 Mhz. this tournament was published in Computerschach and Spiele 1987, page 7-13. I have played it between 5 dedicated chess computers. each had to play against each other 10 games. 100 games. and leonardo maestro won with 22.5 points. second was novag forte with 22 pints :-)) >The following quote from you is particularly distressing: >Accusations like the above should not be made lightly. You are, after all, >accusing ALL programmers of paying you off. I can't believe this. Such hyperbole >only damages your credibility. :-))) i thought there would be at least one guy not been able to recognize a satire and a joke with reality. in germany we have a law that says: whenever somebody is making a satire in television, there must be a blinking ATTENTION: JOKE/SATIRE in the left corner of the television screen, so that almost any person can identify it :))) it seems the rest of the world needs this kind of identifcation too. >You are also IMPLYING that you are being paid off in this tournament. :-))) >I guess I will see it in the end... ;) >Roger i am sure you will see as much as you have seen here today :-) look forward. SEE.-
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