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Subject: Re: Fritz 6 Endgame Weirdness

Author: Bertil Eklund

Date: 14:20:37 12/21/99

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On December 21, 1999 at 15:53:44, James T. Walker wrote:

>On December 21, 1999 at 09:11:08, James T. Walker wrote:
>
>>On December 20, 1999 at 23:46:37, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>On December 20, 1999 at 21:48:29, Len Eisner wrote:
>>><snipped>
>>>>In any case, the position I mentioned should be covered by the KPP vs KP 5 >piece tablebase which I do have loaded.  So I don't know why Fritz 6 (and >H7.32 for that matter) plays f7 since it is obviously not the fastest winning >line.
>>>
>>>f7 is the fastest winning line that fritz6 and hiarcs7.32 know by tablebases
>>>of H732.
>>>
>>>They know nothing about kqp vs kp so the fact that there is a faster winning
>>>line(leading to KQP vs KP) is not relevant
>>>
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Hello Uri,
>>I believe you are right.  He should have the KQPKP tablebase to make this
>>endgame work properly.  It may even be counter productive to have any "Pawn"
>>tablebases without the proper "Promotion" tablebases to follow up.  For the
>>KPPKP tablebase you should have the KQPKP and KPPKQ at the very minimum.  These
>>endings are usually easy wins for the side with the Queen but that does not mean
>>that they are not required for the programs to transition into them correctly
>>from the KPPKP ending.
>>Jim Walker
>
>Hello again,
>I have just discovered a problem with using Fritz 6 in the Fritz 5.32 GUI.  It
>seems to have similiar problems to Fritz 5.32 when using the tablebases.  Today
>it was playing shredder 3 and found a  mate in 45 (KQPKQ tablebase).  Around
>move 20 it got lost and repeated the position 3 times.  I do have the KQQKQ
>tablebase and Hiarcs performs these endgames correctly.  The problem does not
>seem to exist in the Fritz 6 GUI but I have been using the Fritz 5.32 GUI
>because of another bug in the Fritz 6 GUI.  The bug is Fritz 6 stops playing
>sometimes in the endgame for no reason.  If you have played any engine/engine
>games look at your database of these games.  The ones where Fritz stopped
>playing will show a +- in the score instead of 1-0 indicating that white was
>ahead when it quit.  (Or = when it was drawish instead of .5-.5).
>Jim Walker

Hi!

Yes it´s the same problem with Junior6, often it stops playing (in TB) when it´s
a draw. I have also seen it announce a mate in 14 from the TB´s and after that
take a 3-time repetition. In this case it was a KRp vs KR.

Bertil SSDF



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