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Subject: Re: Diep fullwidth vs Deep Blue fullwidth

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:32:20 12/21/99

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On December 22, 1999 at 00:30:05, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On December 21, 1999 at 23:46:06, Greg Lindahl wrote:
>
>>>>>>How important is forcing in shallow plies verses deeper plies? That's easy
>>>>>>to examine using a program.
>>
>>I'd still like to see an answer to this question -- why debate how much of an
>>effect DB's algorithms are in the last 4 plies when you can do a few
>>measurements? Isn't computer chess at least partially an experimental science?
>>
>>-- g
>
>
>This doesn't seem like an experiment worth testing.  In chess, we have a
>root position, and we search to a terminal position where we apply an eval
>and then back up a score.  I don't see anything that would suggest that it
>is better (or worse) to extend near the root or near the tips.  Except that
>extending near the tips causes the tree to grow quicker.  But nothing
>suggests that you can't get from the root position to the right tip position
>by extending early, vs only by extending late.  The issue is extending _right_.
>
>Which means that program A might do better with one approach, while B might
>do better with the other.  The chess program is the sum of its parts.  And
>all this comparing with DB is nonsense...


I should add that I ran a huge experiment last year that is sort of connected
to this. The question was "how to limit extensions?".  I came to the conclusion,
after a lot of testing, that the deeper I went, the more I wanted to throttle
the extensions, to avoid tree explosions.  I do all my normal stuff up to
2*iteration_depth (for 12 ply search, this means all extensions are done fully
up to ply=24).  Beyond that, I reduce the amount of each extension...  And after
a _lot_ of testing, I concluded that this fit "my" program best...



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