Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 08:39:31 12/28/99
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On December 28, 1999 at 11:10:21, Martin Müller wrote:
>I would consider it as operater of a computer account appropriate that also
>tournaments at ICC would take place for the existing ICC computer
>handles/operators which are neither author nor co-author.
>
>However ICC restricts computer operators in not allowing to accept seeks. They
>have to match other computers if they want to play against them.
>
>So it would be an easy way to participate in a computer tournament to find out
>how good your (commercial) program runs with the configuration of the own PC.
>
>ICC should do more for computer accounts.
>
>Kind regards
>
>Martin
I am of the opposite meaning. I find that ICC must be a lot tougher on
paying members of a program.
You have the RIGHT to know what program it is and at what hardware
is my personal opinion.
The person behind the computer of course can be anonymous. Just like
normal persons at icc can be anonymous, though that anonymeously playing
there is not garantueeing better social behaviour, on the opposite!
Who is the dutchman MrZ for example who was accused of being computerhelped
by Fritz6 in standard games against other computers (in blitz he 100% sure
plays himself)? If he reveals his name/rating he of course might be
directly pleated free of such accusations. However by remaining anonymous
and doing computer like tactics as an anonymous player, i can understand
such accusations.
Let's take the previous game he played against DIEP (judgeturpin account
PII266):
Move MrZ JudgeTurpin
---- ---------------- ----------------
1. d4 (0:01) d5 (0:00)
2. c4 (0:04) dxc4 (0:00)
3. e3 (0:03) Nf6 (0:00)
4. Bxc4 (0:03) e6 (0:00)
5. Nf3 (0:02) c5 (0:00)
6. O-O (0:04) a6 (0:00)
7. a3 (0:03) b5 (0:00)
8. Ba2 (0:03) Bb7 (0:00)
9. Nc3 (0:03) Nbd7 (0:00)
10. Re1 (0:05) Qc7 (0:50)
On average white plays 3 seconds a move.
A quick operator with fritz is able to
do 3 seconds a move without problems.
11. d5 (0:39) c4 (0:30)
12. dxe6 (0:27) fxe6 (0:01)
13. Nd4 (0:25) e5 (0:02)
So far known.
14. Nf5 (0:18) g6 (0:34)
15. Ng3 (0:38) Bg7 (0:54)
16. b3 (0:25) O-O (0:25)
17. Bb2 (0:27) Nb6 (0:46)
18. Qc2 (0:22) cxb3 (0:26)
19. Bxb3+ (0:07) Kh8 (0:10)
20. Rac1 (0:30) Nc4 (0:17)
21. Nb1 (0:08) Ng4 (0:23)
Here MrZ makes something which i would qualify
as a possible computermove.
Especially with a threat against f2
i would not make Bxc4 very soon. It's pinned anyway.
I would for sure not play it within 18 seconds. I would
consume a lot more time.
22. Bxc4 (0:18) Rxf2 (0:16)
23. Re2 (0:09) Nxe3 (0:16)
24. Qc3 (0:30) Rxg2+ (0:00)
30 seconds for the simple move Qc3,
but 6 seconds for a simple (predicted)
recapture on g2?
25. Rxg2 (0:06) Nxc4 (0:14)
26. Rf2 (0:20) Rf8 (0:28)
27. Qe3 (0:35) Qd6 (0:14)
28. Rxf8+ (0:09) Qxf8 (0:03)
MrZ comments here: Qxf8 was a blunder at move 28.
However if we look to the position then
we see that Bxf8 wins a full piece at c4
29. Rxc4 (0:07) bxc4 (0:05)
30. Bxe5 (0:07) Qc8 (0:05)
31. Bxg7+ (0:19) Kxg7 (0:13)
32. Qe7+ (0:02) Kg8 (0:13)
33. Nc3 (0:10) Bc6 (0:01)
34. Kf2 (0:11) Qg4 (0:13)
35. Qd8+ (0:17) Kg7 (0:00)
36. Qc7+ (0:06) Kh6 (0:03)
37. Qxc6 (0:14) Qd4+ (0:00)
38. Kg2 (0:07) Qxc3 (0:12)
39. Qd6 (0:04) Qc2+ (0:16)
Kf3 is a very computerish move. I would
all my life get to h3 with the king. Idem 99.99%
of humanity.
40. Kf3 (0:15) Qc3+ (0:11)
41. Kg4 (0:16) Kg7 (0:11)
42. Ne4 (0:07) h5+ (0:11)
43. Kf4 (0:13) Qc1+ (0:00)
44. Ke5 (0:15) Qf1 (0:07)
45. Qxa6 (0:12) Qa1+ (0:14)
46. Ke6 (0:05) Qd4 (0:19)
47. Qb7+ (0:06) Kh6 (0:02)
48. Qd5 (0:08) Qe3 (0:00)
49. Qd2 (0:09) Qxd2 (0:09)
50. Nxd2 (0:01) c3 (0:07)
51. Nb3 (0:03) g5 (0:05)
52. a4 (0:10) g4 (0:00)
53. Kf5 (0:06) g3 (0:01)
54. hxg3 (0:05) Kg7 (0:02)
55. a5 (0:20) c2 (0:01)
56. a6 (0:01) Kf8 (0:07)
57. a7 (0:07) Ke7 (0:00)
58. a8=Q (0:02) c1=Q (0:06)
A weird blunder by MrZ especiailly
considering he took 17 seconds.
Did he have problems telling fritz
that opponent got a queen, and while
misclicking he by accident played
next blunder?
59. Qd8+ (0:17) Kxd8 (0:08)
Obviously MrZ goes play himself now
60. Nxc1 (0:01) Ke7 (0:06)
61. Kg6 (0:05) Ke6 (0:08)
62. Kxh5 (0:06) Kf7 (0:04)
63. Nd3 (0:09) Ke6 (0:07)
64. Kg5 (0:05) Ke7 (0:07)
65. Kf5 (0:04) Kd6 (0:07)
66. g4 (0:04) Kc7 (0:01)
67. g5 (0:05) Kd6 (0:00)
68. g6 (0:05) Ke7 (0:00)
69. Ne5 (0:04) Kd6 (0:00)
70. g7 (0:06) Kc5 (0:00)
71. g8=Q (0:01) Kd4 (0:04)
72. Nf3+ (0:02) Kc3 (0:07)
73. Qg1 (0:01) Kc4 (0:07)
74. Qd4+ (0:01) Kb5 (0:06)
75. Ke6 (0:01) Kc6 (0:06)
76. Ne5+ (0:02) Kb7 (0:03)
77. Qc5 (0:02) Kb8 (0:06)
78. Kd6 (0:01) Ka8 (0:06)
79. Kd7 (0:01) Kb7 (0:06)
Now with Qb6 he just drops a piece to mate the opponent but
by accident the opponent played Kb8 instead of a different move.
80. Qb6+ (0:00) Kxb6 (0:05)
{Game drawn because neither player has mating material} 1/2-1/2
Is MrZ a computer the first part of the game?
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