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Subject: Re: the best?!?!?!?!?!?!

Author: Graham Laight

Date: 06:21:25 12/29/99

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On December 29, 1999 at 09:10:50, Michael Cummings wrote:

>On December 29, 1999 at 07:02:45, Graham Laight wrote:
>
>>Excuse me, but following this kind of logic, you'll never be able to select
>>anything in your life!
>>
>>Every competition is flawed.
>>
>>Gary Kasparov might not be the best human player - for all sorts of reasons.
>>
>>But if you finally want to have a champion, you have to have some sort of
>>competition, and you have to accept that the rules are going to favour some
>>competitors over others.
>>
>>-g
>
>It is very simple. you need to play many games, but the time you would spend
>playing these games needed, another version of the program comes out and they
>dump the older version for the newer one to test. So you will get results from
>the data you have obtained.
>
>And yes competitions are flawed. France won the soccer world cup to say they are
>the best, but they are not ranked number one. I can play 1000 CM6K games of
>various personalities and then play them again and get totally different
>results. (and I have !!!)
>
>So how many games does it take ? 10, 100, 500, 1000, 10000 ????
>
>I have played top programs against each other and had one win many games in a
>row, only to have the program win the other half of the games in a row.
>
>Usually the cream will rise to the top. But chess programs require much more
>games than the SSDF play in my opinion. But again this is a selective argument.
>
>How many people are willing to say that Deep Blue is better than Kasparov 100%
>of the time if they play a series of five game matches ????
>
>As you say, there are rules and things are ranked following these rules. I am
>not debating that, I am debating the validity of the results and the ranking of
>the results.
>
>Logic shows you have competition to attain a winner, but logic also shows that
>the winner is not always the best.
>
>How many times have someone or some team won something only to know that yes
>they did great on the given day, but they are not really the best.

Agreed.

When I thought about it afterwards, I must admit that my original post was a
little on the pedantic side!

-g



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