Author: Enrique Irazoqui
Date: 11:18:08 12/29/99
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On December 29, 1999 at 13:57:43, Albert Silver wrote: >On December 29, 1999 at 13:02:56, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: > >>On December 29, 1999 at 12:42:34, Bertil Eklund wrote: >> >>>On December 29, 1999 at 11:23:12, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >>> >>>>On December 29, 1999 at 10:51:57, James A. Tackett wrote: >>>> >>>>> I remember when Computer Chess Reports was published once a year, and >>>>>Enrique Irazoqui was its editor. >>>> >>>>1982 and 1983. Red telephone, Honda 750, Mephisto II and III, and Scisys MKV >>>>above all. Sometimes I feel like winding my watch backwards. >>>> >>>>>The usefulness and quality of that publication >>>>>does not have a contemporary counterpart. I would venture to say that myself >>>>>and others would be willing to fork over the cost of a new chess program if we >>>>>could have access to a publication of that quality today. So many of the >>>>>posters on CCC seem to be unaware of the following facts: >>>>> >>>>> 1] the raw strength of the program is no loger an issue for 99.99% of us. >>>>> >>>>> 2] what maters to the vast majority of us is: >>>>> >>>>> a] the style and variety of play. >>>>> >>>>> b] the ability of the program to be handicaped to yield >>>>> a challeging and interesting opponent without throwing away >>>>> material or making silly moves. >>>>> >>>>> c] the ability of the program to analize our games in a manor >>>>> that allow us to find our mistakes and thus increase our >>>>> understanding of chess. >>>>> >>>>> The main problem I find in reading CCC postings is the great diversity of >>>>>opinions regarding the "truth," and there is no easy or reliable way to sort >>>>>through this maze of information. We need one objective, reliable reviewer to >>>>>focus on the above issues. If I can find one, just tell me where to send the >>>>>money! >>>> >>>>Only a few weeks ago I was hesitating about starting a new tournament, which is >>>>my way of getting an impression about programs. Few people seemed interested and >>>>I dropped the idea. A post like yours may be the excuse I need. Thanks! :) >>>> >>>>Enrique >>>Hi! >>> >>>Please start a new tournament with the new programs, we all want to know if >>>Shredder4 is the best program as claimed on the Millenium-site. >> >>I don't think it is. >> >>> Is the new >>>Junior6 better then Junior5? What about Fritz6 is it better than F5.32? >> >>I don't think so either. >> >>>Rebel-Century can it play against computers too? Win-Tiger is it even better >>>then the Dos-version? >> >>Yes, by 10 or 20 points. >> >>> Nimzo7.32 was it out of luck in the latest SSDF-list? >> >>Maybe a bit low, but not significantly. >> >>>Is it true that Diep is the best positional program? >> >>Who says? :) >> >>I would like to play a tournament. It would be at 40/40 on 2 PIII-500 with 256MB >>RAM. The difference in performance between a P500 and a P600 or 700 doesn't >>justify the price, I think. Next problem: I could play it with Tiger, Shredder >>4, Fritz 6, Junior 6, Hiarcs 732 and Nimzo 732, 20 game matches for a total of >>300 games, which takes about a month. The other possibility would be to add >>Crafty 17.4 and Genius 6.5, but playing 10 game matches and a total of 280 >>games. What do you think? 20 game matches are more accurate, but including more >>programs is tempting, even if I don't think that they could win the torunament. >> >>>I had a Suzuki motorbike and now I have a Suzuki car but it was more funny with >>>the bike! >> >>I had 28 bikes, all of them much more fun than any cars. But cars are more >>comfortable and practical, and I can smoke while driving (never tried this on a >>bike), so it is cars nowadays. :( > >28 bikes! Man. I've always been a 4-wheel kind of guy, though I did enjoy a >Honda 350XL dirt-bike a while back. Loads of fun, particularly the 'crash' >course my friend gave me in driving a bike when he sold it to me. After about 5 >minutes of cruising in first in a parking lot, and explaining the basics of >changing gears, he decided I was ready for the roads... >Nothing serious, just some small contusions, and a big lesson on the fragility >of my mortality. :-) Like when my father bought his first Norton 500. He was 16 and never had been riding a bike before. He went straight from the shop to the wall across the street. Fathers... >I think the idea of the tournament is great, but wondered whether you think you >could get CB to lend you El Diablo. Well... that's a problem. Which F6? There are 5 versions of Fritz 6 around. I would like to play the strongest, but also the one that will be used by the SSDF. Bertil? > I'd be curious to see it tested under >serious conditions, even if it remains a mystery. As for Crafty and Genius: >definitely. Definitely... But even if it means to play 10 game matches instead of 20? I don't know. One more thing: it would have to be Crafty as engine for Fritz. I guess this is no problem: the engine should be the same and I could use the good book of Nimzo. But 10 game matches? Hmmm... Enrique > Albert Silver > > >> >>Enrique >> >>>Regards Bertil
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