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Subject: Re: the best?!?!?!?!?!?!

Author: Michael Cummings

Date: 16:06:12 12/29/99

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On December 29, 1999 at 13:53:03, Dann Corbit wrote:

>How to measure what "best" means is difficult "at best."
>
>Consider human players.  Is the world champion the best or is Kasparov?
>Is Anand better than Shirov?
>
>I think (probably and only in my opinion) that Kasparov is the best player in
>the world.  But I could be wrong.  And we have a very large number of games
>available to make a decision.
>
>Now, the SSDF values hold for exactly:
>0.  The machines used
>1.  The programs used with that particular time control and settings
>2.  The method of play used
>
>And we still have a large uncertainty.
>
>The WMCCC champion is a proclaimed champion, like A. Khalifman of FIDE who may
>or may not be the best player in the world. and B. Gulko of USCF who may or may
>not be the best player in the US.  In any case, we know both of them are darned
>good players.
>
>Test suites like BS2830 try to measure ELO and do manage to measure some form of
>tactical prowess.  But how neatly does this map to playing strength?  Really,
>nobody knows.
>
>Another measure of strength is the rankings on ICC or FICS.
>
>Yet another is the results from Winboard tournaments like those defined at:
>http://f11.parsimony.net/forum16635/
>
>Quite frankly, all the programs are very, very strong.  The tactical ability is
>probably GM strength [maybe even super-GM] and the only real weakness is long
>term strategy.
>
>Since all of them will beat the pants off of anybody but an IM or better (and
>still give IM's and GM's a hard time) strength should probably be the least of
>our worries.  Really, we might be better served by looking at the sort of
>analysis features that are offered and database capabilities.
>
>In short, the best program is the one that is best for you.
>
>As far as strongest, nobody knows -- really.  For computer verses computer play,
>the SSDF list is probably the finest tool.  But if you don't understand some
>statistics, it would be foolish to try to draw conclusions from it.  In
>particular, any of the top ten programs could easily be better than the others
>by simple examination of a single standard deviation.


Correct observations, you can claim that a program is number 1 and state that
because the SSDF said so. But in reality as you explained this is not totally
the correct result.

As I said in a post below, WCCC99 Shredder or SSDF Tiger, which is number 1
right now given the results.



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