Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 07:00:31 12/30/99
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On December 30, 1999 at 07:16:05, Harald Faber wrote:
>Exception. You played other, weaker opponents like CSTal, against Fritz5.
cstal is not weaker than fritz5.32.
>Yes. Like I have written a thousand times that only you get exceptional results,
>like CSTal being in the top-3 of tournaments and Fritz far out of race and so
>on.
i cannot help when fritz6 is unable to win against hiarcs (a strong
program harald !)
[Event "millennium-tournament 1999-2000"]
[Site "k6-400 40/120"]
[Date "1999.12.20"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Harcs7.32"]
[Black "Fritz 6"]
[ECO "C45"]
[Result "1-0"]
1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nxc6 bxc6
6. e5 Qe7 7. Qe2 Nd5 8. c4 Ba6 9. Nd2 g6 10. b3 Bg7 11. Bb2
Nb4 12. Nf3 c5 13. g3 O-O 14. Bg2 d5 15. O-O Rad8 16. Rfd1
dxc4 17. bxc4 Qe6 18. Bf1 Bb7 19. Ng5 Qf5 20. f4 h6 21. Nf3
g5 22. a3 Nc2 23. Rac1 Rxd1 24. Rxd1 gxf4 25. Nh4 Qe4
26. Qxe4 Bxe4 27. gxf4 Ne3 28. Re1 Nxf1 29. Rxe4 Nd2
30. Re2 Rd8 31. Bc1 Nb3 32. Be3 Rd1+ 33. Kf2 Ra1 34. Kf3
Rxa3 35. Ke4 Ra4 36. Rc2 a6 37. Nf3 a5 38. f5 c6 39. f6 Bf8
40. Rg2+ Kh7 41. e6 fxe6 42. Ne5 Ra1 43. Nd7 Bd6 44. f7 Rf1
45. Bf2 Rxf2 46. Rxf2 Kg7 47. f8=B+ Bxf8 48. Nxf8 Nd2+
49. Rxd2 1-0
What is so strange for you to accept that fritz6 loses against
hiarcs in ONE game...
tell me please what is your problem to accept this ??
don't you see that the fact that fritz6 loses versus hiarcs
is a very normal thing, and the claim of you:
>like CSTal being in the top-3 of tournaments and Fritz far out of race and so
>on.
is completely spoken without any real reason.
i am in the second round. it is no big thing that fritz6
has only sero from 1 !!!
you make - with paranoic mind of course - a history alike:
thorsten manipulates the fact that fritz loses when in fact
fritz6 had to play a very strong opponent in the first round
and has not played so far.
you see the difference ?
you try to jump on people meanwhile i am doing
computerchess. so - if you want to throw with mud,
why don't you go into a kindergarten ?
there you will find many young people in your age who
maybe like to behave like you.
To come back to fritz6:
This round it has to play versus comet. could be interesting
since comet did a very good game versus chessmaster5000 that
chessmaster turned in the endgame.
i have never seen chessmaster turn something in the endgame. i thought
this is chessmasters weak point.
[Event "millennium-tournament 1999-2000"]
[Site "k6-400 40/120"]
[Date "1999.12.22"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Comet B11"]
[Black "ChessMaster6000"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "40/7200"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d3 d6 6. O-O O-O 7. a4 a6 8.
Nbd2 Ba7 9. Re1 Qe7 10. b4 Be6 11. Qb3 Ng4 12. Re2 Qd7 13. h3 Nf6 14. Bxe6
fxe6 15. Nc4 b5 16. Ne3 Nh5 17. Rea2 Nf4 18. axb5 axb5 19. Qd1 Qc8 20. Ng4
Qb7 21. Ng5 Rfe8 22. d4 h6 23. Nf3 Ng6 24. Bxh6 gxh6 25. Nf6+ Kf7 26. Nxe8
Kxe8 27. Qd2 exd4 28. Qxh6 Nge7 29. Nxd4 Nxd4 30. cxd4 Kd7 31. Qf6 Qxe4 32.
Rxa7 Rxa7 33. Rxa7 Qb1+ 34. Kh2 Qxb4 35. Ra8 Nf5 36. Qf7+ Kc6 37. Rc8 Qa5
38. Qxe6 Nxd4 39. Qe3 Kd5 40. Rg8 c5 41. Qe7 Kc4 42. Qxd6 Qd2 43. Qg3 b4
44. Rg5 Nc6 45. Rh5 b3 46. Qg8+ Kb4 47. Qf8 Qd4 48. Rh6 Qe5+ 49. f4 Qe4 50.
Rh5 Qc2 51. Qc8 Nd4 52. Qb7+ Nb5 53. Re5 b2 54. Re4+ c4 55. Re5 Qa4 56.
Qe7+ Kb3 57. Qb7 Kb4 58. Qh7 Ka3 59. Re2 c3 60. Qd3 Qxf4+ 61. g3 Qf1 62.
Qxb5 Qxe2+ 63. Qxe2 b1=Q 64. Qe7+ Qb4 65. Qe3 Qb2+ 66. Kg1 Ka2 67. Qa7+ Kb1
68. Qe7 c2 69. Qe4 Qb6+ 70. Kg2 Kb2 71. Qe5+ Kb3 72. Qd5+ Kc3 73. Qf3+ Kb2
74. Qe2 Qd4 75. Qb5+ Kc3 76. Qa5+ Kd3 77. Qa6+ Qc4 78. Qd6+ Ke3 79. Qa3+
Qd3 80. Qc5+ Kd2 81. Qb4+ Ke2 82. Qf4
{White resigns} 0-1
>>>>I am also interested how junior6 does.
>>>
>>>To smash it agin of course because Junior is a fast searcher (=dumb) and never
>>>played well on your machines while on others it did?
>>
>>Complete Nonsense! keep your data straight !
>>or do you want to lie ?
>>junior won one of my tournaments !!!
>
>Which one, which Junior version?
Tournament: summer-tournament98
Final Standings
i-------------------------------------------------------------
¦ 1 JUNIOR5 JUN.CTG, (5) 8.5 56½ 70 7
¦ 2 CSTAL WIN95, (6) 8.0 56½ 70½ 6
¦ 3-4 HIARCS6, (2) 7.5 57½ 71½ 4
¦ NIMZO98 PADERBORN, (14) 7.5 57 71 5
¦ 5 CHESS TIGER 11.5, (12) 6.5 58½ 72½ 5
¦ 6-12 CHESS TIGER 11.2, (13) 6.0 59 73 4
¦ CRAFTY 15.18, (22) 6.0 58½ 68½ 4
¦ CHESSMASTER 5000, (7) 6.0 55½ 68 4
¦ ZARKOV 4.2C, (23) 6.0 51½ 62½ 6
¦ WCHESS 1.04, (18) 6.0 51 62 5
¦ REBEL 9, (3) 6.0 49 56½ 4
¦ FRITZ 5.16 POWER.CTG, (4) 6.0 44 52½ 4
¦ 13-19 GENIUS5, (8) 5.5 55½ 65 3
¦ MCHESS 7.1, (1) 5.5 53 64½ 3
¦ COMET A95, (21) 5.5 50½ 59 5
¦ CHESSMASTER 5555, (17) 5.5 47 55 3
¦ DIEP 1.58.13, (10) 5.5 43½ 52 5
¦ EUGEN 7.5B, (15) 5.5 43 51 5
¦ PHALANX, (11) 5.5 42½ 50 4
¦ 20 VIRTUAL2, (9) 5.0 45½ 51½ 4
21 DIAMOND 2, (16) 4.0 43½ 49½ 3
22 SOCRATES X, (24) 3.0 45½ 51½ 2
23 DIOGENES 4.72, (19) 1.5 45½ 51½ 1
24 CAISSA98 5.15, (20) 0.0 45½ 53 0
this was summer 1998. where you in holiday?? :-)))
if you want the games i can send them to you.
as you can see tournament was 11 rounds...
does not fit into your manipulation theory ??
and what about the christmas 98 tournament:
this was 15 rounds and tiger made a good ranking...
Tournament: christmas-tournament
Final Standings
i---------------------------------------------------------
¦ 1 HIARCS7.1, (1) 12.5 94 107½ 10
¦ 2 CHESS TIGER 11.8, (6) 10.5 94 109½ 8
¦ 3 REBEL 10C, (2) 10.0 94½ 110 6
¦ 4 FRITZ 5.32, (16) 9.0 95½ 111 5
¦ 5 SHREDDER3, (10) 8.5 96 111½ 6
¦ 6-7 NIMZO 2000, (7) 8.0 96½ 112 4
¦ CSTAL WIN95, (4) 8.0 96½ 112 3
¦ 8-9 JUNIOR5 JUN.CTG, (3) 7.5 97 112½ 4
¦ ZARKOV5.01, (15) 7.5 97 112½ 4
¦ 10-11 CHESSMASTER 6000, (5) 7.0 97½ 113 5
¦ GENIUS6, (13) 7.0 97½ 113 3
¦ 12-14 GANDALF3, (9) 5.5 99 114½ 2
¦ MCHESS8, (11) 5.5 99 114½ 2
¦ WCHESS 2000, (14) 5.5 99 114½ 2
¦ 15 CRAFTY 16.3, (8) 5.0 99½ 115 1
¦ 16 DIEP WB-PADERBORN, (12) 3.0 99½ 117 1
cstal only 7th harald :-))) again a big proof for your
"THEORIES" :-))))
>This does not fit to your statement that Junior does not perform on your
>machines as well as others have reported.
>What is it then, do you remember having written so and now change your mind or
>can't you remember?
i have not played so much with junior6.
i said - maybe you read it again .-)) - that chessbase
claims each month that there latest new release is STRONG
when this is not true.
>As I already wrote, I am not surprised to read that.
why ? do you get paid for posting good stuff about chessbase ?
I mean : when you call me manipulating against chessbase
it is only fair to call you paid by chessbase to post
chessbase pro stuff, or ? :-))
>I only know of your match against Tiger and now the 2 rounds. What did I miss?
:-))) you miss much. since i post these tournaments weeks long, you where
not online for weeks, not in the summer, not in the winter.
do you exist as a real person ?? or are you virtual person, maybe frederic
as pseudonym ? :_))
oh - forgot - i met you in paderborn. so you exist.
>Why did you buy it then?
i have enough money to buy any chess program.
>Why? Isn't it possible that it IS reference if you take out Tiger which is not
>commercial yet?
????
the only reference with fritz6 is user-interface is good.
its not that good like fritz5.32 concerning useability, but
its ok. but its buggy. as fritz5.32 needed to be patched ...
>So what?
>I also do not like Fritz playing style much, but the score speaks for itself,
>you can't deny it.
no.
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