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Subject: Re: Which is stronger Fritz5.32 or Fritz6.0 ?

Author: Mark Young

Date: 08:48:28 01/02/00

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On January 02, 2000 at 06:40:16, stuart taylor wrote:

>On January 02, 2000 at 05:34:49, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On January 02, 2000 at 03:23:34, Oles Girniak wrote:
>>
>>>May be someone already run them in the few test positions. And can tell
>>>something about diff between them.
>>>  Thank you.
>>
>>Fritz 6 looks to be stronger. This may be due to Fritz 6 having a bit more
>>understanding of some endgame positions, and the use of the tablebase in its
>>search. This is only an off the cuff judgement from watching some of the games.
>>I should know more shortly now that the Y2K computer scare is over, and my boss
>>stops working me 80+ hours a week updating his computer systems.
>>
>>Right now I have Fritz 6 playing a match with Hiarcs 7.32 at 40/2. Fritz 6 is
>>winning the match after 6 games by +1 -0 =5.
>>
>>(My current rating list for all games played from G/5 to 40/2hrs.)
>>
>>* all programs play using their own book.
>>
>>* all programs without their own native book play using their own exclusive copy
>>of Junior 5's book.
>>
>>1	Fritz 6	        	2512	181
>>2	Fritz 5.32		2499	119
>>3	Junior 5.0		2487	156
>>4	Hiarcs 7.32		2476	139
>>5	Crafty 16.18		2475	114
>>6	Fritz 5.00/16Bit	2465	78
>>7	Crafty 16.15		2461	54
>>8	Crafty 16.13		2440	63
>>9	Crafty 16.6		2438	76
>>10	Hiarcs 4.0		2430	61
>>11	Crafty 17.04		2424	65
>>12	Hiarcs 6.0		2382	74
>>13	Crafty 15.18		2373	55
>>14	Comet B10		2349	61
>>15	Comet B11		2337	42
>>16	Comet B02		2315	56
>>17	Doctor? 3.0		2232	56
>>18	EXchess 2.51		2064	66
>
>
>How can hiarcs 6 possibly come so low down on your list? Even alot less
>than hiarcs 4?

Hiarcs 6 is not a very good program at fast time controls. Most of the games at
this time used to calculate the ratings were played at a fast time control. This
will change as more long time control games are played.

>And is k6-3 clearly better than k6-2?
I heard it was a bit faster. In terms of rating for a chess program I don't
think it would matter much MHz for MHz.

>And is Rebel realy that bad with amd? What's wrong?

Rebel runs fine on the AMD chip. The only problems I have seen with Rebel
running on the AMD chip is when users overclocked the chip to much and/ or
messed with the memory timings in bios trying to get that last 1% in speed out
of the chip... which gives them nothing in term of a stronger program.


>And is there any point in upgrading to Athlon? Or other? (I have k6-3 400mhz

Yes, when you can double the speed of the computer it is well worth upgrading.
In terms of running chess programs....no if you just play them yourself for fun,
I don't think you could tell the difference in playing a program on a K6-3
400mhz or the latest K7.

>         and I'm waiting to see which is strongest program, or which two.
>         Might it not be Rebel Centuary)?

It could be Rebel Centuary.... but from what I have seen it will not be.

From what I have seen Chesstiger should be the strongest program when it hits
the market, but Fritz 6 and Chessmaster or Junior 6 may catch up with it.

Right now the best program I have seen is Fritz 6. This program is a must have.


>  Thanks!
>    Stuart Taylor



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