Author: Albert Silver
Date: 07:43:31 01/03/00
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On January 03, 2000 at 04:08:05, Graham Laight wrote:
>On January 03, 2000 at 00:02:33, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>>>It isn't quite the same thing you know, but being a CC enthusiast, I naturally
>>>>want to see the games take place. The real changes took place when the computers
>>>>came into a position to win tournaments. That's when they were more truly
>>>>stonewalled. I remember a huge, 11 round, 30 minute game open in France at
>>>>Aubervilliers, and there was always an interesting roster of computer players
>>>>participating. I haven't heard about any computer participation since a version
>>>>of Genius tied for 2nd-3rd though. I can understand as well, and it is
>>>>complicated. Would you want to participate in a tournament (active chess) with
>>>>IMs, GMs, and tons of players, and have the results read like this:
>>>>
>>>>1) Fritz 9.99 10.5/11
>>>>2-4) Hiarcs 10.0 10/11
>>>>2-4) Rebel Timewarp 10/11
>>>>2-4) Chess Weasel 10/11
>>>>5-9) CM 9300 9.5/11
>>>>5-9) Nimzo 9.64 9.5/11
>>>>5-9) Deeper Junior 9.5/11
>>>>5-9) Crafty 23.412 9.5/11
>>>>5-9) GM Short 9.5/11
>>>>
>>>>Etc...
>>>>
>>>>I sympathize, even if the prizes are given only to the human players. The
>>>>problem will only worsen apart from specially organized events, designed to
>>>>include cybernetic opponents.
>>>>
>>>> Albert Silver
>>>
>>>The above text is a wonderful sight to behold!
>>>
>>>Albert appears to be admitting that, within 2 new versions of Hiarcs, chess
>>>software will be in a position to push GM Short, the 2nd best player in the UK,
>>>and the player who challenged Kasparov for the PCA world championship just a few
>>>years ago, into 9th place in an active tournament!
>>
>>Ahem! Confession? I hate to burst your bubble there buddy, but you seem to be a
>>little behind the times my friend. :-) Fritz did ok in Frankfurt THIS year
>>didn't it? But that was in active chess. 60 moves (more or less) in 30 minutes
>>and 60 moves in 6 hours aren't exactly the same thing.
>>
>> Albert Silver
>>
>
>Well - it's too early to have a glass of wine to celebrate, but I've put on a
>good CD this morning!
>
>If computers can match players like Short (FIDE 2700 from memory) at active
>chess (roughly G/30), and we know from past studies that computers will rate 80
>Elo points higher in active chess than they will at tournament time controls
>(source: Selective Search - UK computer chess magazine)
I probably don't need to say that I do not agree with this at all. And I'm not
just being difficult, I don't.
Albert Silver
> , then we must be saying
>that right now the computers are about 2620 Elo - which isn't bad (if a little
>lower than the 2664 - 2674 that SSDF seem to be saying Tiger can achieve).
>
>-g
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