Author: Michael Cummings
Date: 00:28:13 01/04/00
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On January 03, 2000 at 21:32:12, Christophe Theron wrote: >On January 03, 2000 at 20:39:05, Michael Cummings wrote: > >>On January 03, 2000 at 10:22:31, Harald Faber wrote: >> >>>On January 03, 2000 at 07:48:16, Michael Cummings wrote: >>> >>>>On January 03, 2000 at 04:48:21, Harald Faber wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 03, 2000 at 04:19:36, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 03, 2000 at 03:41:36, Michael Cummings wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On January 03, 2000 at 03:15:29, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Bottom line: This Christophe is quite a guy. Coming from nowhere his >>>>>>>>program enters the list on no.1. When was the last time you did see >>>>>>>>such an event to happen? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Do you not remember CM6K. Chess Tiger already proved strong in other games >>>>>>>played for a while now before it made its debute on the SSDF >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I think CM6K made the biggest surprise when it topped the SSDF, and if you look >>>>>>>at the 200MMX machines still remains No1. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>CM6K is the true KING >>>>>> >>>>>>In the SSDF list CM6K is 1 point ahead of F532 on P200MMX. Tiger is 25 points >>>>>>ahead of F532 on AMD-450s. >>>>>> >>>>>>CM6K is very strong, but Tiger tops the list no matter how you look at it. >>>>>> >>>>>>Enrique >>>>> >>>>>Mike does not deny it. He just points out that within the 200MMX pool CM6k is >>>>>the strongest and it might be that if tested on 450MHz it could be no.1 again. >>>>> >>>>>And +1 or +25 means really NOTHING with the margin of error. >>>>> >>>>>For me at least within a range of 50 pts the progs are equal strong. >>>> >>>>Enrique should know better than to compare program strength like that when >>>>played on faster hardware. >>>> >>>>I have heard many times that programs play better with certain processors. So in >>>>that case we can already say that CM6K will be better than Fritz on the 450 >>>>machines since it is ahead of the rest on the 200MMX machines. >>>> >>>>How do we know that CM6K playing in a 450 machine will not play like a super GM >>>>and kill all other programs. We have already seen from games posted on here that >>>>CM6K has beaten Tiger is a series of games on hardware faster than the SSDF >>>>200MMX machines. >>>> >>>>But the fact remains and that is all I am stating, that CM6K is No1 on the >>>>200MMX machines. >>> >>> >>>We can repeat it again and again, maybe Enrique understands it someday. ;-) >>> >>> >>>>One note, has anyone bothered to test tiger on the 200MMX machines to see if the >>>>program is way ahead of the field, or just performs better on 450 machines. >>> >>> >>>It was tested on P90 and was ahead of CM5000, but it was the time they changed >>>to 450MHz so no need to take 200MHz for Tiger. >> >>The reason why it would be good to see the results on the 200 machines, would be >>that Chris and many others think that this program on any machine would is way >>ahead of the rest. >> >>So if it was way ahead on the 200MMX then the result on the 450 machine would be >>back up better. > > >I would like to see 200 long time controls games played between Tiger and CM6000 >on P200MMX and I wonder why you don't volunteer to play them yourself. > >Then I suppose you might claim that CM6000 is the best program on 300MHz >computers (which have not been tested by the SSDF, and will never be), and you >would probably be able to claim this until the end of the times as nobody will >take the pain to play all these games manually. > > >Now that the "current" hardware on SSDF is K6-2 450MHz, I suspect they have a >lot of P200MMX computers available, so I would be very glad if they tested the >Rebel-Tiger on this platform. Tiger and CM6000 would not meet directly (as >CM6000 has to be operated manually and they are not willing to do it again), but >we would see if CM6000 can keep its ranking in the P200MMX list. > > > > Christophe I only now have a PII 450 and a PIII 500 computer. Apart from no time and no tiger program. I am quite sure CM6K would be number 1. Even though this is pure speculation, my predictions have always been pretty accurate :-) CM6K was never tested on a P90, and I think it would have been stronger by 50 points over tiger on that hardware. How can I make these statements, as you said, unless someone tests this, we will never know, so thus my predictions :-)
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