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Subject: Re: Announcement: Diep - Tiger beginning saturday!

Author: Christophe Theron

Date: 14:10:49 01/04/00

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On January 04, 2000 at 15:32:13, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On January 04, 2000 at 14:02:33, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On January 04, 2000 at 12:45:55, James T. Walker wrote:
>>
>>>On January 03, 2000 at 20:34:52, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 03, 2000 at 19:34:43, James T. Walker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 03, 2000 at 02:20:43, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Want to remind you on the fact that i will do a tournament between
>>>>>>a fast-searcher .-))) rebel-tiger12 without book,
>>>>>>and vincents slow-searcher diep in a few days...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>it will be 40 games 40/120. on 400 Mhz machines.
>>>>>>maybe we get so many data concerning this topic,
>>>>>>that we can have nice discussions here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am mainly vincents opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hello Thorsten,
>>>>>I'm sure you will post the games here for all to see.  Frankly, I will be
>>>>>surprised if Diep is within 150 points of ChessTiger.  Have you tested Junior 6
>>>>>yet?  I'm very impressed with this program.
>>>>>Jim Walker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I will be surprised if they are very far apart.  Diep plays a lot on ICC and it
>>>>is _not_ a pushover.  At longer time controls it is very dangerous.
>>>
>>>Hello Bob,
>>>I hope you are right!  I have only seen Diep at G/30 or less.  It was not very
>>>impressive but I also believe it has faster hardware now.  I hope it is an
>>>interesting match.
>>>Jim Walker
>>
>>
>>I wonder why Diep is supposed to be stronger with a faster computer and Tiger is
>>not...
>>
>>Maybe some people are already brainwashed by Vincent's words?
>>
>>
>>    Christophe
>
>
>No... but some programs react better.  If you run crafty on a machine, and
>cut the clock speed by 1/2 every now and then, the playing skill will drop
>steadily until some threshold value, then it will plummet... because you just
>dropped the search depth into the range where my null-move search assumptions
>begin to fail badly.  A non-null program won't have that threshold to cross and
>at some point it will suddenly start to kill mine when the hardware gets too
>slow.
>
>Not uncommon at all...
>
>Whether this is Vincent's issue or not is unknown.. I only know that his program
>plays _very_ strongly on ICC...  Against Tiger, against mine, against anyone...
>
>It never pays to take someone too lightly...


That's not how I see it.

I'm taking the risk in public to challenge somebody who has a big mouth.

I know many peoples are irritated by Vincent blahblah, but I see nobody (almost
nobody) standing up to tell him.

What do I have to win from this match? Can you tell me, Bob?

I have nothing to win, and much to lose.

However I take this match exactly like the matches that have been played by the
SSDF, Tiger against X, X being a strong commercial program. I have never been
afraid of such matches, I'm not going to be afraid today just because Vincent
claims he has such a wonderful program and such a wonderful understanding of
chess programming.

Actually when I read such claims I feel more confident. I don't know why...



    Christophe



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