Author: Michael Cummings
Date: 15:43:25 01/04/00
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On January 04, 2000 at 11:53:24, Christophe Theron wrote: >On January 04, 2000 at 05:35:36, Michael Cummings wrote: > >>On January 04, 2000 at 04:07:52, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On January 04, 2000 at 03:28:13, Michael Cummings wrote: >>> >>>>On January 03, 2000 at 21:32:12, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 03, 2000 at 20:39:05, Michael Cummings wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 03, 2000 at 10:22:31, Harald Faber wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On January 03, 2000 at 07:48:16, Michael Cummings wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On January 03, 2000 at 04:48:21, Harald Faber wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On January 03, 2000 at 04:19:36, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On January 03, 2000 at 03:41:36, Michael Cummings wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On January 03, 2000 at 03:15:29, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Bottom line: This Christophe is quite a guy. Coming from nowhere his >>>>>>>>>>>>program enters the list on no.1. When was the last time you did see >>>>>>>>>>>>such an event to happen? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Do you not remember CM6K. Chess Tiger already proved strong in other games >>>>>>>>>>>played for a while now before it made its debute on the SSDF >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I think CM6K made the biggest surprise when it topped the SSDF, and if you look >>>>>>>>>>>at the 200MMX machines still remains No1. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>CM6K is the true KING >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In the SSDF list CM6K is 1 point ahead of F532 on P200MMX. Tiger is 25 points >>>>>>>>>>ahead of F532 on AMD-450s. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>CM6K is very strong, but Tiger tops the list no matter how you look at it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Enrique >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Mike does not deny it. He just points out that within the 200MMX pool CM6k is >>>>>>>>>the strongest and it might be that if tested on 450MHz it could be no.1 again. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>And +1 or +25 means really NOTHING with the margin of error. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>For me at least within a range of 50 pts the progs are equal strong. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Enrique should know better than to compare program strength like that when >>>>>>>>played on faster hardware. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I have heard many times that programs play better with certain processors. So in >>>>>>>>that case we can already say that CM6K will be better than Fritz on the 450 >>>>>>>>machines since it is ahead of the rest on the 200MMX machines. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>How do we know that CM6K playing in a 450 machine will not play like a super GM >>>>>>>>and kill all other programs. We have already seen from games posted on here that >>>>>>>>CM6K has beaten Tiger is a series of games on hardware faster than the SSDF >>>>>>>>200MMX machines. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>But the fact remains and that is all I am stating, that CM6K is No1 on the >>>>>>>>200MMX machines. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>We can repeat it again and again, maybe Enrique understands it someday. ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>One note, has anyone bothered to test tiger on the 200MMX machines to see if the >>>>>>>>program is way ahead of the field, or just performs better on 450 machines. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It was tested on P90 and was ahead of CM5000, but it was the time they changed >>>>>>>to 450MHz so no need to take 200MHz for Tiger. >>>>>> >>>>>>The reason why it would be good to see the results on the 200 machines, would be >>>>>>that Chris and many others think that this program on any machine would is way >>>>>>ahead of the rest. >>>>>> >>>>>>So if it was way ahead on the 200MMX then the result on the 450 machine would be >>>>>>back up better. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I would like to see 200 long time controls games played between Tiger and CM6000 >>>>>on P200MMX and I wonder why you don't volunteer to play them yourself. >>>>> >>>>>Then I suppose you might claim that CM6000 is the best program on 300MHz >>>>>computers (which have not been tested by the SSDF, and will never be), and you >>>>>would probably be able to claim this until the end of the times as nobody will >>>>>take the pain to play all these games manually. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Now that the "current" hardware on SSDF is K6-2 450MHz, I suspect they have a >>>>>lot of P200MMX computers available, so I would be very glad if they tested the >>>>>Rebel-Tiger on this platform. Tiger and CM6000 would not meet directly (as >>>>>CM6000 has to be operated manually and they are not willing to do it again), but >>>>>we would see if CM6000 can keep its ranking in the P200MMX list. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Christophe >>>> >>>>I only now have a PII 450 and a PIII 500 computer. Apart from no time and no >>>>tiger program. I am quite sure CM6K would be number 1. Even though this is pure >>>>speculation, my predictions have always been pretty accurate :-) >>>> >>>>CM6K was never tested on a P90, and I think it would have been stronger by 50 >>>>points over tiger on that hardware. >>>> >>>>How can I make these statements, as you said, unless someone tests this, we will >>>>never know, so thus my predictions :-) >>> >>> >>>You are making these statements without any basis, especially the one about P90. >>>That would mean that CM6000 is about 150 points stronger than CM5000, and it is >>>definitely NOT. >>> >>>I see you appreciate CM6000 a lot. I would not disagree that it is a good >>>program (I think that nobody here disagrees BTW), but with this kind of >>>statement you are doing nothing good for your favorite program. >>> >>>If only you were more reasonnable in your statements I think your words would >>>have more credit. Until that, I fear that you are unfortunately working against >>>the image of CM6000. >>> >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >>I think you missed when I made my statements all the :-) which I think is used >>for smiling and humour. My comments were based on your assumption that my >>questions will never be answered, thus I made some predictions as to what those >>answers would be, all in good homour of course. >> >>I also think no matter what comments I did make if I thought my predictions were >>serious, I am in little position to affect it strength and power, which is >>already stated from many games played with the king engine in tournaments and >>with CM6K on the SSDF. >> >>In any point from the small sample of games that have been played between tiger >>and CM6K, the kings engine is just ahead from the results already given. Even >>though this is a very small number of games, it is still enough when compared to >>tigers games against other programs to give an indication that it maybe a close >>call between the two with either program being on top. > > >Which games are you talking about??? I recall some games Didzis played, and I think there was one other person, but I cannot remember who, but it was posted on here within the past week and a half.
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