Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 20:44:13 01/04/00
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On January 04, 2000 at 17:10:49, Christophe Theron wrote: >On January 04, 2000 at 15:32:13, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 04, 2000 at 14:02:33, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On January 04, 2000 at 12:45:55, James T. Walker wrote: >>> >>>>On January 03, 2000 at 20:34:52, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 03, 2000 at 19:34:43, James T. Walker wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 03, 2000 at 02:20:43, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Want to remind you on the fact that i will do a tournament between >>>>>>>a fast-searcher .-))) rebel-tiger12 without book, >>>>>>>and vincents slow-searcher diep in a few days... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>it will be 40 games 40/120. on 400 Mhz machines. >>>>>>>maybe we get so many data concerning this topic, >>>>>>>that we can have nice discussions here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I am mainly vincents opinion. >>>>>> >>>>>>Hello Thorsten, >>>>>>I'm sure you will post the games here for all to see. Frankly, I will be >>>>>>surprised if Diep is within 150 points of ChessTiger. Have you tested Junior 6 >>>>>>yet? I'm very impressed with this program. >>>>>>Jim Walker >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I will be surprised if they are very far apart. Diep plays a lot on ICC and it >>>>>is _not_ a pushover. At longer time controls it is very dangerous. >>>> >>>>Hello Bob, >>>>I hope you are right! I have only seen Diep at G/30 or less. It was not very >>>>impressive but I also believe it has faster hardware now. I hope it is an >>>>interesting match. >>>>Jim Walker >>> >>> >>>I wonder why Diep is supposed to be stronger with a faster computer and Tiger is >>>not... >>> >>>Maybe some people are already brainwashed by Vincent's words? >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >> >>No... but some programs react better. If you run crafty on a machine, and >>cut the clock speed by 1/2 every now and then, the playing skill will drop >>steadily until some threshold value, then it will plummet... because you just >>dropped the search depth into the range where my null-move search assumptions >>begin to fail badly. A non-null program won't have that threshold to cross and >>at some point it will suddenly start to kill mine when the hardware gets too >>slow. >> >>Not uncommon at all... >> >>Whether this is Vincent's issue or not is unknown.. I only know that his program >>plays _very_ strongly on ICC... Against Tiger, against mine, against anyone... >> >>It never pays to take someone too lightly... > > >That's not how I see it. > >I'm taking the risk in public to challenge somebody who has a big mouth. > >I know many peoples are irritated by Vincent blahblah, but I see nobody (almost >nobody) standing up to tell him. > >What do I have to win from this match? Can you tell me, Bob? > >I have nothing to win, and much to lose. That is probably true, of course. I'm only warning you that his program is not a sargon or some such thing from the 80's. It is very strong and knows a lot of things about the game that a lot of programs don't. How it will do is anybody's guess. It is pretty slow in terms of NPS, so it can get into tactical trouble, given a chance. But if it doesn't, its knowledge can spell trouble for the opponent if the opponent is not a very 'smart' program. Will be interesting to see the games... > >However I take this match exactly like the matches that have been played by the >SSDF, Tiger against X, X being a strong commercial program. I have never been >afraid of such matches, I'm not going to be afraid today just because Vincent >claims he has such a wonderful program and such a wonderful understanding of >chess programming. > >Actually when I read such claims I feel more confident. I don't know why... > > > > Christophe
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