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Subject: Re: Crafty question (again!!)

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:59:17 01/04/00

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On January 04, 2000 at 23:47:51, pavel wrote:

>On January 04, 2000 at 23:26:15, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On January 04, 2000 at 22:14:18, pavel wrote:
>>
>>>hi guys :))
>>>           this is the second time i am posting the same message.....because the
>>>first time no one replied......probably because it was holiday season at that
>>>time. well this was my post (almost the same).........
>>>
>>>   I am doing this test (if you cal it test).....i am letting crafty analyse
>>>100s of gm......IM.......and computer games.......and i am giving it 1hr to
>>>analyze each game......as a result its position.lrn is increasing along with its
>>>book.lrn......now my question is will this by any chance increase the positional
>>>knowledge of crafty.....and as a result refine its playing strength?
>>
>>
>>if you are using "annotate" then no learning is done.  So I am not sure
>>what you are seeing there.  The only time learning is enabled is in real
>>games, where you make a move and the computer makes a move.  In analysis
>>mode, no learning occurs.  In annotate, no learning occurs...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Lets ask it differant way...(yeah yeah i have read the crafty.doc...i know you
>>>will suggest that;)  )....what will the differance in performance of two craftys
>>>one with a big position.lrn and book.lrn(along with book).........and the other
>>>with just the opening book......???
>>>
>>>someone (specially hyaat) answer pls
>>>
>>>pavel :)))))).............oh !! me god i missed my nap????
>
>
>hi hyaat,
>         well i set it in to analyzing mode under CDB database program......and
>after each analyze the position.lrn seems to increase by few "kb"......and
>opening.lrn......very little. thus position.lrn or book.lrn really increase the
>playing strength of crafty?
>
>pavel ;))


position.lrn/position.bin is a position learning facility.  It is primarily
used as a defense against someone taking the program out of book early, and
then finding a line to beat it.  This facility prevents crafty from playing
the same line over and over, losing every game.  But that is all that it
does.

book.bin _never_ changes in size.  book.lrn does, but that is an export
file that crafty doesn't use, as it modifies book.bin when it learns to
avoid a book line.  This can make it play better, but again is primarily
a defense to repeated book losses.  But as it loses, it learns opening lines
that it can't play well, so from that angle, it does 'get better'.

But don't expect miracles..

I am not sure how CDB calls crafty, but it is certainly possible that the
position learning is active if crafty thinks it is doing a normal search.



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