Author: Chris Carson
Date: 06:16:37 01/07/00
Go up one level in this thread
On January 06, 2000 at 23:27:31, Robert Hyatt wrote:
< Big, perhaps relevant, Snip >
>
>Not exactly. The ratings were adjusted to correlate with some human vs computer
>results that were known. But that set the ratings for a couple of programs back
>in 1992-93. Since that time, thousands of new games, computer vs computer were
>played. And as I mentioned, a small change to a program can produce a wide
>gap in Elo performance. With no checks and balances to keep the list in line
>with the old Swedish federation ratings. The ratings were never calibrated to
>FIDE ratings, and after 7 years, there is little doubt that they have drifted
>over 200 points above FIDE, at least.
>
>At least I don't believe any program is a 2700 player, on today's hardware,
>which puts them in the top 10 or so of the worlds best players. I don't >believe
>they are in the top 100 yet...
Bob,
Consider the following and let me know where my errors are,
I trust your insights.
Not an attack, just my own thoughts. :)
--------------------------
I think the following two are in the top-50 (perhaps top-1). :)
Deeper Blue (not commercial, but hardware does exist and is old
technology, very old by my standards, but I do work in the ASIC
industry).
Deep Blue jr (same as above)
NOTE: Neither has a GM norm or enough data to support this statement.
But they do have some very high TPR's. :)
Deeper Blue has just one good TPR, might just as well produce one
400 points lower. Especially if a GM was allowed to study games
and prepare for it. :)
I also think the following program could easily be at 2600 TPR and
in the top-100 easily, but will not be allowed to gain a GM norm.
Crafty on a 16xPIII-800 (perhaps less MHZ needed).
TPR above 2600 no problem (in tournament play
where all GM's play each other and Crafty, no extra preparation advantage
to the GM's). :)
Hmmm. Would the above Crafty beat Cray Blitz? :)
I also would not be surprised if Roman beat the above crafty on ICC
on a regular basis and if you calculated the rating for Crafty based
on just games from Roman, Crafty might be rated 200 to 400 points lower
than the TRP from a GM tournament. Roman knows where the holes are
in Crafty and knows how to take advantage of them. :)
Yes, I am mixing TPR and MPR. TPR is all I have and may be all we
have. I wish the situation was different, I prefer hard data to
analysis. This is all just speculation. I can never prove any
thing definitively since the computers are not allowed in tournaments.
Alghough, IMHO, small amounts of data support the above speculation. :)
Just my humble opinion. :)
Best Regards,
Chris Carson
< Big Snip>
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.