Author: Chessfun
Date: 02:57:55 01/08/00
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On January 08, 2000 at 05:06:10, Michael Cummings wrote: >On January 08, 2000 at 03:18:08, Chessfun wrote: <snipped> >>> >>>You should test like I have been doing against the default settings for >>>chessmaster. It has yet to be proven that CM6666 settings are better than the >>>default settings. >> >>Makes no difference what it is tested against, could be Rebel 10, Junior 5, >>it is another program that it is playing. Only difference is that the named >>programs have SSDF ratings while CM6666 as of yet :-) has none. >> >>But even were this the default CM and the score was eventually tied at lets >>say 100-100 this still would mean nothing as the SSDF ratings are based on >>longer time controls than 1 hr game each side. >> >>The only purpose of playing these games is to see if these Josh settings >>are actually any good as was stated originally by John they only had tested >>these settings at 5/3. Playing against the default is NOT the only way to >>observe that. >> >>Besides what would constitute *proof*, that CM6666 is better than the default, >>neither are being tested to determine what is stronger and from my own testing >>this CM6666 is stronger than the default. >>Thanks. > >The main point is to see if what the chessmaster team stating in that they might >have a better setting than the default is true or false. > >They CM team tested it against the default, stating that it could be a better >setting than the default, but did not have time to test it. So it would therefor >be best to test using that method against the default. > >You are playing a CM6666 personality setting that could be better or worse than >the default. So even if the Josh setting wins, you still do not know whether it >is better or worse than the default, which is the benchmark, and was that not >the point ? > >As for CM6666 and other settings, before you joined CCC, I along with a few >others on here tested many personalities and settings. > >I have in total over 1000 games played at various time controls. quite a few at >40/2hr time settings. And it is already been said that CM6666 might not perform >well at longer time control. I neither work for Mindscape or Michael Cummings. I do not test this for Mindscape or Michael Cummings I test it for my own interests and others if they are interested in seeing the games. Before I joined CCC there was no CM6K only CM5500. I have been running CM personality tests for just over a year now and in that time have determined to my own satisfaction that the CM6666 settings are better than the default at 40/2hr time controls. I do not have the thousands of games you do, as I see sometimes you also play very fast time controls. Minimum I usually play is 30 min side and then only to determine if a personality is worth taking to the next step (40/2). *THE CM TEAM* tested at 5/3 against the default, which is of little to no value. Only reason I even bothered with this was John asked the question, personally I am certain these settings will be of little value and I do not try every set of settings I see. John made no statement about testing it only against the default. Your test itself was conducted without the use of the Josh book and though you can state they used the same opening this in itself means little unless you are going to play a few hundred games, otherwise we would all only be using Nunn or some similar test in the openings. One of the features of the Josh personality was it's opening book as well as the other changes. And it is can be said that CM6666 might not perform well at longer time controls however I have not read much of that, and if that were said what difference if that is not how my computer scores it. I have seen you make claims the last few days about Chess Tiger's strength versus the CM6K on games played at http://www.konts.lv/usr/Didzis/index.html games that were played at (16Mb hash when possible, 60min/game) this seems a similar claim to the one on the CM6666 not performing as well as the CM6K. What games or claims is it you refer to exactly?. Quote form Shep's "CM 6666 Shep 40/120 on 550 MHz and above; extraordinarily strong". Thanks.
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