Author: Michael Cummings
Date: 22:19:49 01/08/00
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On January 08, 2000 at 22:55:39, Chessfun wrote: >On January 08, 2000 at 22:20:18, Michael Cummings wrote: > >>On January 08, 2000 at 11:13:09, Chessfun wrote: >> >>I was going to reply to some of your comments, but I will say two things. First >>I fabricate nothing, I never said I use two computers for testing Chessmaster >>personalites which number over 1000 games. That is a false statement by you. >> >You said you had played over 1000 games. Correct >You said the only way to test CM was with two computers. Correct, but I have never stated I tested all of them, that assumption is utter crap, and I challenge you to produce that I have said anywhere that I tested all these games using two computers, I have never even considered saying or even trying that >Therefore it is just a natural conclusion. Wrong Conclusion >If the statement is false it is less false than you saying I said >I test for fun. Testing for interest, enjoyment, is the same as fun. > >>My point being whenever you post a game with CM6666, you are representing the >>chessmaster program, it is not what we were told are the best settings, and you >>are portraying the program strength in a false light, this means very little >>when you test the program against other personalities, but it does mean allot if >>you do this against other programs and post your results. > >Disagree. First when those games are posted the settings are clearly deliniated >for everyone to see. It is done at CCC as well as at countless websites. Yes but I have read from people wanting to know about CM6666 as they wanted the settings stronger than the default. Some people are stupid you know. >> >>If someone wants to test chessmaster and give results for these matches, then >>they use the setting which Johann the programmer recommends. >> >There is no basis for that statement. The settings are configurable for the >very reason that they want you to play with the settings. John himself stated >as much by saying they had tested other settings. This is also idential to >the current Rebel Century engine contest. As long as you state your setting clearly, then there is less of a problem, not all do. > > >>Why do I say this >> >>There are already to many people who read a few posts regarding CM6666 and >>other settings now thinking that this is the best setting you can use. >> >And your point is what? and who are all these other people? and how do you >know what they think? Because they state their thoughts in posts and emails. I have only seen a minimal amount of posts recently on >the subject. Far less in-fact than when you yourself contributed to them. >Which you also did even in your test by stating the results of your own pet >version SS10, No pet version, CM6K with 16meg hash tables, and SS=10, these settings are what Johann said to use to obtain its best play. When I play with other programs against CM6K, I do not use pet settings. You maybe correct, but they would be the pet settings of Johann, and since he wrote the engine I am sure if he said that they would give the best results, then I would not argue with him which if you state others should not be posting results of non >default personalities, what about considering yourself first and setting us all >an example. I am using a setting which the programmer said to use, not one that Joe Blow created and goes on to say is the best. > >>Test what you like if you want to do it for interest, but when you play and post >>regarding chessmaster I think people should do it with the default, so that no >>one can use these results as to the strength of CM, when in fact CM could be >>playing under par with the CM6666 settings > >Then as stated above you yourself should not have done it today by posting about >the SS10, especially if the ultimate result is that the above paragraph >is your true feelings on the subject. >Thanks. Your conclusions are wrong, until I see evidence that CM6666 is better than the default, you can go and cook up all the settings you like. But I doubt their will be enough games played to show this. Maybe you can get Shep and Didzis to play the very few games they have with this setting again, and see if the results are the same or different. As far as I know Shep said that this setting might be strong against other programs, but not so strong against other CM personalities. You can play CM6666 all you like, that is up to you. But for me if I used that setting and the program lost, I would still always have in my mind that I might be playing another program with a weak setting. Well anyway this is a dead issue now, apart from you and me, which we will never agree on much here, no one else is interested, and this will soon turn into a verbal bashing match full of insults
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