Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 23:15:09 01/09/00
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On January 09, 2000 at 23:13:58, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On January 09, 2000 at 21:10:29, Mark Young wrote: > >>On January 09, 2000 at 18:33:26, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >> >>>On January 09, 2000 at 17:43:32, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>Let's not go off the deep end here. I personally don't give a care about >>>>his comments. Feel free to tell him to drop by ICC at any point in time he >>>>chooses and demonstrate how badly Crafty plays in a few blitz games. He >>>>reminds me of the "catfish" in the deep south waterways. Eat anything. Dumb >>>>as a rock. We say "he is like a catfish, all mouth and no brains" when some- >>>>one makes silly and easily refutable remarks... >>>> >>>>Kasparov is in ChessBase's pocket. However, from this point forward, since >>>>we are going to continue to see this, I believe that I will simply choose to >>>>say that "no more crafty versions will be available for ChessBase products". >>>> >>>>If it is so bad, they really don't need it anyway. If I see any future versions >>>>on their web site, I will let my attorney do the talking. >>> >>>The article is poisonous and I understand your anger, but I think you are not >>>aiming well. First of all, I can't imagine Kasparov being in anybody's pocket. >>>Second, the heated argument about Deep Blue can easily explain the animosity >>>towards Crafty without resorting to third parties. >>> >>>What I can tell you is that I keep receiving regular updates of Crafty for CB, >>>together with positive comments about it. I don't believe in the long and >>>sinister arm of CB, and even less in this case. >>> >>>Enrique >> >>I don't see why Bob is so upset. The comments made are pretty much accurate. > >Actually they are way off, and here is why: > > >> >>"Crafty is extremely strong in tactics." ....True > >Dead false. Try _any_ commercial program on a tactical test position, and then >try Crafty. I have not tried to fiddle a lot with deep search extensions, and >am usually far slower than everybody else to find a deep tactical shot. The >King may be the best, but others like Rebel are very good. I do _not_ consider >crafty very tactical. I remember Crafty solves the WAC position, key-move Rb4! Quite impressive! >>"it makes positional errors and misplays some endgames" ....True > >It misplays fewer endgames than most commercial programs. It certainly has >some knowledge that none of them at present are using. > > > > >> >>"It doesn?t understand piece mobility." ....True, but could use more >>explaination. > >Dead false. I use mobility where it is important, because my bitmap stuff >makes it totally free to do so. IE it pretty well understands good vs bad >bishops, due to this. etc. > > > >> >>"Crafty is a weak program compared with the best commercial chess >>programs."....True >> >>I have seen no crafty results even by you that dispute those observations. Bob >>may not like it but at this time his program is still weaker then the top >>programs. It must be noted that bob has closed the gap in the last year, but >>crafty is still not on par with the top commercail programs. > > >I play the top commercial programs on ICC all the time, at long standard >time controls. So far, nobody is 'killing me'. I can't think of a program >that I am not at least breaking even with, and really can not think of one >of those. Yes I have faster hardware. But I spent the time to make the program >use it... > >But the real fly in the ointment was to say it is not playing well, then give >a tournament where it finished in second place above the programs the guy was >praising... and in that tournament it was on _equal_ hardware. > >You might notice one thing in my writing here and elsewhere. I don't run down >other programs. Because I _know_ that every chess program represents a heck of >a lot of work. De Gorter obviously doesn't know much about it at all... and >it shows... It's just the opinion of one man. And Crafty has proven itself since times, no? Ed
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