Author: Eugene Nalimov
Date: 18:30:52 01/10/00
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Here we disagree: (1) I believe DB is Hsu and others, not IBM - exactly as Junior is Amir Ban, not Chessbase. (2) After second match Kasparov said that new match must have nothing in common with IBM. Money must come not from IBM, organizers must be not from IBM, etc. Eugene On January 10, 2000 at 16:58:05, Amir Ban wrote: >On January 10, 2000 at 12:31:05, Eugene Nalimov wrote: > >>Words "I will treat you exactly as any other challenger" means that he backed >>off his own (Kasparov's) previous rematch challenge, made after 2nd DB match. >>And that is exactly what Hsu is saying. Or my interpretation is wrong? >> >>Eugene >> > >The challenge was made to IBM, and if I understand correctly, still stands. Hsu >is not IBM, though he seems to be unaware of the difference between the Deep >Blue project under IBM, and himself alone. Remember Kasparov said he regarded >the approach as not serious. I understand why. Hsu is not the first tech person >to confuse between his technical skills and the strength of his entire >organization, but nobody knows better than Kasparov that Deep Blue is not Hsu. >It's IBM. Hsu is valuable but replaceable. Hsu alone is nothing. If he didn't >understand this before, I think he understands it now. > >In fact, if there's one person who's indispensable for Deep Blue, it's Kasaprov. > >Amir > > >>On January 10, 2000 at 10:52:12, Amir Ban wrote: >> >>>On January 09, 2000 at 22:21:25, Dave Gomboc wrote: >>> >>>>You can read the letter at http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/feng.html >>>> >>>>Your comments? >>>> >>>>Dave >>> >>>Shay and I called Kasparov and asked him about it, and here's what he has to say >>>(not an exact quote): >>> >>>There was one short letter from Hsu, which was answered by an even shorter >>>letter, and that was the entire discussion. >>> >>>He felt that the question/proposition was not serious from the business point of >>>view. >>> >>>The answer Hsu got was: Kasparov will play ANY computer, under suitable terms, >>>provided the computer is a known entity that has a record against other >>>opponents. He remembers that the conversation with Hsu ended after he received >>>this answer. >>> >>>Kasparov told us that he reconfirms this commitment, and cited his agreement to >>>play Deep Junior in the coming online tournament. Kasparov told us he will not >>>agree to play against a mystery box as Deep Blue was before their match, and >>>that the machine should have some public record before it plays him. >>> >>>Kasaprov also knew that Hsu has been talking to Microsoft about this. >>> >>>So far from Kasaprov. >>> >>>We tried to reach Owen Williams to clarify some more things, but couldn't reach >>>him. There's some apparent contradiction in the number of messages passed and >>>their content, which maybe Owen could clarify, but I don't think it's very >>>important, because obviously both sides are telling the same story, but from >>>their own point of view. >>> >>>Hsu bought permission from IBM to build his own version of Deep Blue. He needed >>>to build a new chip, to develop new hardware and software, and get a new project >>>going on. He needed funding for this project, and he could get it only if >>>Kasparov gave prior commitment to play it. Kasparov, by his version, basically >>>told him to come back when he has a working machine and a record to prove it. >>>With this answer, Hsu could not make progress, and so folded his tent. >>> >>>I'm guessing that Hsu, a tech person, viewed the fact that he didn't have IBM >>>with him, no funding, no project and no machine as temporary technicalities, and >>>didn't see these as obstacles to planning a match. Kasparov probably saw it >>>differently. >>> >>>IMO, if Kasparov indeed answered with "come back when you have a machine", >>>that's a reasonable reply that does not break his former commitment. However Hsu >>>didn't need Kasparov so much to play a match as he needed him to make the entire >>>project possible. >>> >>>Amir
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