Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 18:34:40 01/10/00
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On January 10, 2000 at 17:20:09, Dan Ellwein wrote: >On January 10, 2000 at 16:30:58, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 10, 2000 at 11:34:31, Dan Ellwein wrote: >> >>>On January 10, 2000 at 09:26:42, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On January 10, 2000 at 00:56:17, Jeff Anderson wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 09, 2000 at 22:51:52, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>Kasparov needs to stop talking and return to playing Chess, maybe defend his >>>>>>>fictitious World Chess Champ title or something, it's about ime he does that, >>>>>>>he's starting to apear more & more like Mr. Fischer every day. That's just my >>>>>>>opinion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Pete >>>>>> >>>>>>Very accurate assessment. >>>>> >>>>>Kasparov plays as much as all the other top GMs and wins tournament and after >>>>>tournament, he has proven time and time again that he is the best player in the >>>>>world, and he has done this through his game play and results in tournaments. >>>>>But it seems like you have been biased against Kasparov from the beginning with >>>>>statements like "Kasparov is in Chessbase's pocket." >>>>>Jeff >>>> >>>> >>>>I have been biased against Kasparov since he acted like a complete jackass at >>>>the end of the second deep blue match. >>> >>>I think one reason Kasparov acted that way was due to the 2nd game of the match. >>> Resigning in a drawn position would not sit well with any one (although it did >>>take even Rebel (as well as other programs) about 7 minutes or so to find the >>>draw). >>> >> >>No program _ever_ found the draw. It is over 60 plies deep from the ending >>position... which is hopeless unless you start to give a program 24 hours or >>more to search. > >I see what you are saying... >> >I did find this on the rebel site though... > >"Deep Blue - Kasparov the re-match of 1997 won by Deep Blue. > >In this famous position Gary Kasparov resigned while he could have a draw with >Qe3! Like Gary for most computers this move is also very hard to find. >Rebel 10.0 (normal) Qe3! not found after 13 plies and 30 minutes. >Rebel 10.0 (anti-GM) Qe3 found at ply 12 at 7:22" > >looks like the anti-GM feature did find the move if I'm reading this right... >> Aha.. now I understand. Crafty (at the time) found Qe3 easily. But it thought it was losing. It never understood that the score was anywhere near 0.00. That was the issue I was addressing. It is one thing to find the right move, another to find the right move for the right reason. Kasparov said that the draw was obvious after he looked at it and couldn't believe the computer had overlooked it. He was wrong. The draw is over 60 plies into the future, not "a few". >>>Another reason may also have been the 'cheapo' he tried in the last game (game >>>6) which backfired on him. This too would not sit will with any one of us. >>>I understand ( I think) why he tried the move order he chose. No other chess >>>program responded in the way that Deep Blue did. As far as that goes, no other >>>chess program to date has played a game like the one Deep Blue played in game >>>two. >>> >>>Just some thoughts... PilgrimDan >> >> >>I agree.. but I also think that playing DB is emotionally draining, as you >>_know_ that one tactical misstep and it is over. It is hard to keep the >>pressure up that long...
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