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Subject: Re: Rebel 40/2 against IM/GM's all 20 games.

Author: Jeff Lischer

Date: 19:10:27 01/10/00

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On January 09, 2000 at 20:23:26, Stephen A. Boak wrote:

>On January 09, 2000 at 14:28:59, Chris Carson wrote:
>
>>On January 09, 2000 at 14:19:43, Wybe Koopmans wrote:
>>
>>>On January 09, 2000 at 11:25:25, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>
>>>>Program	Hardware	Perf.	Opp	Games
>>>>Rebel	AMD K6II-300	2427	2427	2
>>>>Rebel	AMD K6III-400	2515	2398	3
>>>>Rebel	AMD K6II-450	2595	2795	2
>>>>Rebel	AMD K6III-600	2645	2528	3
>>>>Rebel	Kryo K6III-600	2470	2542	5   *
>>>>
>>>>* - 1 game (Hoffman) lost due to HW problems,
>>>>    PR 2552 without this game !!
>>>>
>>>>Rebel	PII-350		2432	2432	2
>>>>Rebel	PII-400		2466	2466	1
>>>>Rebel	PII-450		2185	2585	1
>>>>Rebel	PIII-500	2866	2466	1
>>>>
>>>>Source: Rebel web page:  http://www.rebel.nl/edindex.htm
>>>>
>>>>Team Fritz, Ferrett, Shredder, Silkchess, Junior vs
>>>>Team Lutz,  van Wely, Sokolov, Vaganian, Alterman
>>>>     (2600) (2635)    (2620)   (2630)    (2625) =  2622
>>>>
>>>>Programs score 2.5/5 for 2622 TPR at WCCC 1999 !!
>>>>
>>>>Source:  WCCC 1999 web page: http://www.uni-paderborn.de/~wccc99/
>>>>
>>>>Performance calculated using web:  http://maskeret.com/mecca/
>>>>
>>>>Raw data:
>>>>
>>>>Player	FIDE	Rebel 		Hardware	TPR	Opp
>>>>Sakalauskas	2450	0	AMD K6II-300	2427	2427
>>>>Zapolskis	2399	1	AMD K6II-300	2427	2427
>>>
>>>Hardware was: PII 350 Mhz
>>>
>>>>Russek		2398	1	AMD K6III-400	2515	2398
>>>>Russek		2398	0.5	AMD K6III-400	2515	2398
>>>>Russek		2398	0.5	AMD K6III-400	2515	2398
>>>>Anand		2795	0.5	AMD K6II-450	2595	2795
>>>>Anand		2795	0	AMD K6II-450	2595	2795
>>>>Rohde		2585	0.5	AMD K6III-600	2645	2528
>>>>Ruzele		2515	0.5	AMD K6III-600	2645	2528
>>>>Zagorskis	2486	1	AMD K6III-600	2645	2528
>>>>Baburin	2593	0.5	Kryo K6III-600	2470	2542
>>>>Sherbakov	2552	0	Kryo K6III-600	2470	2542
>>>>Scherbakov	2541	1	Kryo K6III-600	2470	2542
>>>>Sorin		2524	0.5	Kryo K6III-600	2470	2542
>>>>Hoffman        2501	0	Kryo K6III-600	2470	2542
>>>>Krivonosov	2432	0.5	PII-350		2432	2432
>>>>Krivonosov	2432	0.5	PII-350		2432	2432
>>>
>>>Hardware was: AMD K6II-300
>>>
>>>>Grabliauskas	2466	0.5	PII-400		2466	2466
>>>>Rohde		2585	0	PII-450		2185	2585
>>>>Grabliauskas	2466	1	PIII-500	2866	2466
>>>>
>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>Chris Carson
>>>
>>>Best regards, Wybe
>>
>>Rebel page:  http://www.rebel.nl/gm.htm
>>
>>Shows the hardware I posted.  :)
>>
>>Are you saying the Rebel page is wrong?
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>Chris Carson
>
>Hi Chris,
>  I have been keeping similar records, in Excel spreadsheet, for some time.  I
>did not, however, record the hardware types (as yet).
>  1. After we get the list settled, agreed by all (Rebel Team and critics), I
>would like to capture also the color played by Rebel in each game.
>  2. Then, I will verify the the web-based rating calculations you have posted
>by using my own manual check.
>  3. I already have spreadsheet calculations plus an Excel graph that show
>Opponent Rtg, Rebel TPR (each game), Rebel running average TPR (all games),
>Rebel moving ave TPR (last 5 games), Rebel moving ave TPR (last 10 games).
>  4. I'd like to also graph Rebel TPR info for: A) types of Hardware, as well as
>B) Color (White/Black results), since both are interesting stats.
>  The calculations on types of hardware may (if enough games are played) allow a
>test of the generally accepted principal that programs play 50-70 points better
>for each doubling of CPU speed, to see if that principal applies to comp-human
>play based on Rebel 40/2 tests, and what the empirical figure is in this
>instance.
>  Thanks for the work published so far!
>  --Steve Boak

Using all 21 games now played, I get a TPR of 2491 for Rebel. Is this what
others are getting too? I notice above that the Grabliauskas game on the
PIII-500 is accidently called a win for Rebel. I think it was actually a loss :(

I asked Ed at the Rebel Board whether he thought the Hoffman game should be
included and he feels that it should be included -- Hoffman won well played game
and Rebel's hardware problems did not cause the loss. Earlier, Ed stated here at
CCC that he felt the Russek games should also be included since they were played
with same settings as in GM Challenge and were played with 40/2 time control.



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