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Subject: Re: Rebel 40/2 against IM/GM's all 20 games.

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 08:14:36 01/11/00

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On January 11, 2000 at 08:05:33, Chris Carson wrote:

>On January 10, 2000 at 22:10:27, Jeff Lischer wrote:
>
>>On January 09, 2000 at 20:23:26, Stephen A. Boak wrote:
>>
>>>On January 09, 2000 at 14:28:59, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 09, 2000 at 14:19:43, Wybe Koopmans wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 09, 2000 at 11:25:25, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Program	Hardware	Perf.	Opp	Games
>>>>>>Rebel	AMD K6II-300	2427	2427	2
>>>>>>Rebel	AMD K6III-400	2515	2398	3
>>>>>>Rebel	AMD K6II-450	2595	2795	2
>>>>>>Rebel	AMD K6III-600	2645	2528	3
>>>>>>Rebel	Kryo K6III-600	2470	2542	5   *
>>>>>>
>>>>>>* - 1 game (Hoffman) lost due to HW problems,
>>>>>>    PR 2552 without this game !!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rebel	PII-350		2432	2432	2
>>>>>>Rebel	PII-400		2466	2466	1
>>>>>>Rebel	PII-450		2185	2585	1
>>>>>>Rebel	PIII-500	2866	2466	1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Source: Rebel web page:  http://www.rebel.nl/edindex.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Team Fritz, Ferrett, Shredder, Silkchess, Junior vs
>>>>>>Team Lutz,  van Wely, Sokolov, Vaganian, Alterman
>>>>>>     (2600) (2635)    (2620)   (2630)    (2625) =  2622
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Programs score 2.5/5 for 2622 TPR at WCCC 1999 !!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Source:  WCCC 1999 web page: http://www.uni-paderborn.de/~wccc99/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Performance calculated using web:  http://maskeret.com/mecca/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Raw data:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Player	FIDE	Rebel 		Hardware	TPR	Opp
>>>>>>Sakalauskas	2450	0	AMD K6II-300	2427	2427
>>>>>>Zapolskis	2399	1	AMD K6II-300	2427	2427
>>>>>
>>>>>Hardware was: PII 350 Mhz
>>>>>
>>>>>>Russek		2398	1	AMD K6III-400	2515	2398
>>>>>>Russek		2398	0.5	AMD K6III-400	2515	2398
>>>>>>Russek		2398	0.5	AMD K6III-400	2515	2398
>>>>>>Anand		2795	0.5	AMD K6II-450	2595	2795
>>>>>>Anand		2795	0	AMD K6II-450	2595	2795
>>>>>>Rohde		2585	0.5	AMD K6III-600	2645	2528
>>>>>>Ruzele		2515	0.5	AMD K6III-600	2645	2528
>>>>>>Zagorskis	2486	1	AMD K6III-600	2645	2528
>>>>>>Baburin	2593	0.5	Kryo K6III-600	2470	2542
>>>>>>Sherbakov	2552	0	Kryo K6III-600	2470	2542
>>>>>>Scherbakov	2541	1	Kryo K6III-600	2470	2542
>>>>>>Sorin		2524	0.5	Kryo K6III-600	2470	2542
>>>>>>Hoffman        2501	0	Kryo K6III-600	2470	2542
>>>>>>Krivonosov	2432	0.5	PII-350		2432	2432
>>>>>>Krivonosov	2432	0.5	PII-350		2432	2432
>>>>>
>>>>>Hardware was: AMD K6II-300
>>>>>
>>>>>>Grabliauskas	2466	0.5	PII-400		2466	2466
>>>>>>Rohde		2585	0	PII-450		2185	2585
>>>>>>Grabliauskas	2466	1	PIII-500	2866	2466
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>>>Chris Carson
>>>>>
>>>>>Best regards, Wybe
>>>>
>>>>Rebel page:  http://www.rebel.nl/gm.htm
>>>>
>>>>Shows the hardware I posted.  :)
>>>>
>>>>Are you saying the Rebel page is wrong?
>>>>
>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>Chris Carson
>>>
>>>Hi Chris,
>>>  I have been keeping similar records, in Excel spreadsheet, for some time.  I
>>>did not, however, record the hardware types (as yet).
>>>  1. After we get the list settled, agreed by all (Rebel Team and critics), I
>>>would like to capture also the color played by Rebel in each game.
>>>  2. Then, I will verify the the web-based rating calculations you have posted
>>>by using my own manual check.
>>>  3. I already have spreadsheet calculations plus an Excel graph that show
>>>Opponent Rtg, Rebel TPR (each game), Rebel running average TPR (all games),
>>>Rebel moving ave TPR (last 5 games), Rebel moving ave TPR (last 10 games).
>>>  4. I'd like to also graph Rebel TPR info for: A) types of Hardware, as well as
>>>B) Color (White/Black results), since both are interesting stats.
>>>  The calculations on types of hardware may (if enough games are played) allow a
>>>test of the generally accepted principal that programs play 50-70 points better
>>>for each doubling of CPU speed, to see if that principal applies to comp-human
>>>play based on Rebel 40/2 tests, and what the empirical figure is in this
>>>instance.
>>>  Thanks for the work published so far!
>>>  --Steve Boak
>>
>>Using all 21 games now played, I get a TPR of 2491 for Rebel. Is this what
>>others are getting too? I notice above that the Grabliauskas game on the
>>PIII-500 is accidently called a win for Rebel. I think it was actually a loss :(
>>
>
>It is listed as a win on the Rebel board:
>http://www.rebel.nl/gm.htm
>
>2 Virginijus Grabliauskas IM 2466 Pentium-III, 500 Mhz (white) 0 - 1

Rebel had white in this game see above. Rebel lost so the 0-1 is correct.

Confusion over?

Ed


>This puts the Rebel average a little higher.
>
>If this is incorrect, get Ed to let me know and change his
>information.  Whatever Ed says, I will ofcourse concur with
>on this.  :)
>
>Otherwise, your caclculations look correct.  I did include the
>Hoffman as a win in my calculation above and just made a note
>about the hardware.  IMHO: it was worth noting, but I will
>remove the note in future posts.  :)
>
>Remarkable score though,  especially when broken out by hardware.  :)
>
>Best Regards,
>Chris Carson
>
>>I asked Ed at the Rebel Board whether he thought the Hoffman game should be
>>included and he feels that it should be included -- Hoffman won well played game
>>and Rebel's hardware problems did not cause the loss. Earlier, Ed stated here at
>>CCC that he felt the Russek games should also be included since they were played
>>with same settings as in GM Challenge and were played with 40/2 time control.



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