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Subject: Re: Open Letter by Hsu: Kasparov does not want a rematch

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 13:17:17 01/11/00

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On January 11, 2000 at 15:08:07, blass uri wrote:

>On January 11, 2000 at 12:59:33, Graham Laight wrote:
>
>>On January 10, 2000 at 21:34:40, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>>I see what you are saying...
>>>>>
>>>>I did find this on the rebel site though...
>>>>
>>>>"Deep Blue - Kasparov the re-match of 1997 won by Deep Blue.
>>>>
>>>>In this famous position Gary Kasparov resigned while he could have a draw with
>>>>Qe3! Like Gary for most computers this move is also very hard to find.
>>>>Rebel 10.0 (normal) Qe3! not found after 13 plies and 30 minutes.
>>>>Rebel 10.0 (anti-GM) Qe3 found at ply 12 at 7:22"
>>>>
>>>>looks like the anti-GM feature did find the move if I'm reading this right...
>>>>>
>>>
>>>Aha..  now I understand.  Crafty (at the time) found Qe3 easily.  But it thought
>>>it was losing.  It never understood that the score was anywhere near 0.00.  That
>>>was the issue I was addressing.  It is one thing to find the right move, another
>>>to find the right move for the right reason.  Kasparov said that the draw was
>>>obvious after he looked at it and couldn't believe the computer had overlooked
>>>it.  He was wrong.  The draw is over 60 plies into the future, not "a few".
>>
>>So how is it possible that within hours of the game, people from all over the
>>world had found the draw with their PC based chess programs?
>>
>>-g
>
>I found the draw by giving Genius3 to play against itself after the interesting
>Qe3 and trying to improve the line for deeper blue with no success.
>
>I saw an evaluation of draw after many plies in the relevant lines and I found
>no improvement for deeper blue by trying next best.
>
>I think that the draw is obvious for a team of human+microcomputer+some hours.
>
>I was disappointed from deeper blue because I expected deeper blue before the
>match to find everything that  human(with elo less than 2000)+micro+some hours
>can find about tactics.
>
>Uri


I once had a position that I don't recall exactly, where Cray Blitz won a piece
against a human.  And overlooked a terrible repetition.  But what it saw, with
its singular extensions going like gangbusters was a series of checks, where its
own king was hemmed in on the kingside by black's rook at e8.  And when I saw it
I said, aha, it will see this as the king gets checked up the board and when it
tries to escape the repetition will show up.  I failed to notice that it could
play kg1-h2-g3-h4-g5-h6-g7-h8-g8-h7-g6-h5-g4-h3-g2-f1-f2-etc.....

the checking sequence was _so_ long, yet I saw it almost instantly because I
could see that the king had no way to get off the f/g/h files, _ever_.  CB
couldn't see deeply enough to search this, and it didn't evaluate such things,
so it stumbled into a draw where it should have won easily...

Those kinds of positions happen at times...  IE I look to see "Can I _ever_ get
out of this?"  The computer takes a completely different approach to this by
saying "Can he force a repetition within my search horizon?"

The two questions are different.  The answers are often different too, but not
always.  And when they are the same, the computer looks like a genius.  When
they are not, it looks like an idiot.

:)



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