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Subject: Re: Rebel upgrade prices are less friendly than other well known companies

Author: Lawrence S. Tamarkin

Date: 16:47:52 01/11/00

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Sorry if this is how my opinion appears to you.  I suppose all chess products by
any chess company are worth the full entry point price.  OK, nothing untrue
about that.  Still all in all, Chess Base is offering me various price point
upgrades on different products - the latest is a really great price on Mega
2000, because I'm a subscriber too Chess Base Magazine.  Totally different
products. True, a lot of CBM is merged to make Mega, but as different a product
as Rebel Tiger is from Rebel for Windows, or whatever the name thing is - I
can't even remember the different flavours & offerings you guys are coming up
with!  So good luck guys!  I have bought a lot of your different flavours in the
past, but I'm trying to beat my addiction in the future:), and I'm sure you'll
sell a million of these things to everybody else...  They are TERRIFIC!


Larry T.

On January 11, 2000 at 14:42:40, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On January 11, 2000 at 13:03:15, Lawrence S. Tamarkin wrote:
>
>>That's write, er, I mean, Right!, and that's what I'm waiting for.  I think its
>>ridiculoulos, that a company keeps making offers on an upgrade price of their
>>product, then calls it something else, and/or makes some other product that is
>>very simular, but decides that its enough different that they won't give their
>>most loyal customers a price break on it.  Too loosely paraphrase Lincoln, 'You
>>can fool some of the chess software buyer's some of the time, and all of the
>>chess software buyer's  some the time, but you can't fool all of us chess
>>software buyer's all of the time:).
>
>
>That is unfair, Lawrence.
>
>The offer about the Rebel for Windows version has been made months before we
>decided to release Rebel-Tiger, which is a TOTALLY DIFFERENT PRODUCT. The
>Rebel-Tiger is definitely not an update of Rebel.
>
>Please understand that this is not Rebel's engine at all. I have worked hard to
>write this engine. Lex has worked hard on the Windows GUI, which is NOT Rebel's
>DOS GUI.
>
>While it is OK for Ed to offer a special price for an upgrade (because less work
>is involved in an update than in a new product), I would find unfair that the
>Rebel-Tiger is offered for the same price.
>
>
>    Christophe
>
>
>
>>  As an example, I consider myself a very
>>loyal supporter of the chess software companies - I have bought the upgrades of
>>many of them religiously (from 3 or 4 different companies), for many years.
>>When I buy from Chess Base, I always recieve an upgrade (or previous version),
>>price on their chess programs, even if the name is something else.  Junior6 cost
>>less, because I've bought Fritz6, for example.  Anyway, I will continue to hope
>>that the Rebel company will do well, even though I must tell you, they have lost
>>me as one of their (more) loyal customers, who has bought the upgrades &
>>successer versions of their product over the many years...
>>
>>I say again, Oh well, and perhaps its time for me to focus only on Chess Base
>>products alone, to save money, hard disk space, and the need for philosophic
>>self-debates...
>>
>>Larry T.
>>
>>
>>
>>On January 11, 2000 at 12:22:46, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>On January 11, 2000 at 11:56:22, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi Larry,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You are totally correct sir.   You would of course charge as much as the market
>>>>would bear if you were the programmer.  I too grumble at paying top dollar but
>>>>then I remember when MChess cost us $149.00 from ICD--and we gladly paid it.
>>>>
>>>>You are probably like me (you play chess a hell of a lot better than me however)
>>>>and will buy Christophes' program because it is one of the best out there.
>>>>
>>>>You could of course donate a used Pentium III 500Mhz to Mr. Theron and he will
>>>>probably give you a couple or more "free" copies of Chess Tiger.
>>>>
>>>>Seriously, Mr. Schroder is an astute businessman and knows that companies that
>>>>give away products do not survive.  Just look at AOL as an example.  They "give
>>>>away" free browsers and then charge $19.95 per month for  full time internet
>>>>time.  Sounds a bit like Rebel-Decade, don't it..?
>>>>
>>>>Respectfully,
>>>>
>>>>TJ Frohlick
>>>
>>>I could be wrong, but I seem to recall an upgrade to a windows version
>>>also being offered to Rebel 10 customers when it first came out.
>>>If I am wrong---I apologize in advance.
>>>Thanks.



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