Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 20:22:01 01/11/00
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On January 11, 2000 at 20:13:12, george petty wrote: >On January 11, 2000 at 18:26:42, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 11, 2000 at 18:02:28, george petty wrote: >> >>>On January 11, 2000 at 15:58:24, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On January 11, 2000 at 09:39:51, Lonnie Cook wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>But GK is a man! He's WC! >>>> >>>> ^^^ >>>> >>>>Do you _really_ think he acted like one after he lost to DB? >>>> >>>>:) >>> >>> >>> I do. After he realized he had been had by them. He was mad at them, >>> and probably himself for being so trustful and also niave. >>> >>> The old saying you cheat me the first time, shame on you. cheat me the >>> second time shame on me. >>> >>> He is probably by far the best player in the world! No doubt about. >> >> >>Two things: >> >>(1) he wasn't "had" by IBM. > > There is more than money involved is what I mean by had by I.B.M. It was > not a fair match with no history made available of I.B.M. games as there were > of his games. Even after the match no printouts, looks fishy to me. There > is the prestige involved. > I don't think most top players would want to play under those conditions. Its > being a little niave and asking for it. I would imagine he would do things > different looking back on it. > Let me give you some data you obviously don't have. (1) deep thought and deep blue prototype and deep blue junior played dozens of games all over the world prior to the match. I personally watched DB Jr play GM Robert Byrne at a supercomputing conference. There were _plenty_ of those games available. Next, "Deep Blue" didn't exist 30 days prior to the match. They were running very close to having to delay the match in fact, as yield problems (and even a fab shop error in pin layout) resulted in serious delays. When Hsu's book comes out you will see more about this. But the date was set, they barely got it working in time, and they lost the first match easily. He could have demanded that prior to the second match that he see games. He would have found the same problem. Hsu had completely redesigned the DB chess processors. They arrived _very_ late again. They had little playing time for the full DB machine. This is one of those deals where _Kasparov_ set every match condition, because IBM would do _anything_ to play him. He made the match stipulations. He set up the game a day for 2 days, 1 day off schedule. He demanded using the oddball clock that nearly didn't work. He demanded other nonsensical things like the operator could not leave the room during his move. Even if the operator had a serious 'bathroom' problem. When Kasparov was in the bathroom, the operator could not go in. Etc. IE he stipulated _everything_ he wanted. And then, after the match, whined because he failed to add what he deemed to be crucial requirements about the game printouts and so forth. He held all the cards. IBM wanted to play him. He could have stipulated that the match be held on the moon, and IBM would have contracted with NASA to set it up. Like Paul Harvey would say, now you know the rest of the story. It is not the same story Kasparov would like you to hear. But I knew too many people involved in the match. When we played David Levy (and got killed) in 1984, David did the same thing. We wanted to play him. He set up match conditions that turned out to make it practically impossible for us to have a realistic chance of winning. But we had to agree or forget it. Hsu was in the same boat... > > He made a bunch of money, about $40,000 per hour >>for playing if I recall someone else's number. He set up the match stipulation >>for everything he wanted _before_ the match. _after_ the match he then had more >>requirements that he _wished_ he had asked for. But no one made him sign the >>contract... >> >>(2) Kasparov is probably by far the best _human_ player in the world. >>No doubt about it. :) >> > I agree! He's the best we have now. > > >>Bob > > > > George
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