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Subject: Re: Why is this position so difficult to evaluate?

Author: José Antônio Fabiano Mendes

Date: 03:01:45 01/12/00

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On January 11, 2000 at 04:18:43, Torstein Hall wrote:

>On January 11, 2000 at 03:45:04, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
><BIG SNIP>
>>>The thing that worries me is that there are _hundreds_ more of these kinds of
>>>special cases that are left to discover.  I have discovered many in my code.  I
>>>am afraid I have only scratched the surface, yet I have over 50,000 blitz games
>>>vs GM players to go on.  :(
>>
>>Hundreds of these kind of exceptions huh?
>>
>>I tend to agree, here are two of them:
>>
>>[d]r4rk1/p1q2ppp/1pn2n2/2p1p3/3PP1b1/P1P2N2/B4PPP/R1BQR1K1 w - - 0 14
>>
>>[White "Kasparov, Gary"]
>>[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
>>
>>14. dxc5! { Natural 14.d5 will be serious positional mistake- bishop on a2
>>could be closed for a long time.}
>>
>>I bet most programs (Rebel included play 14.d5). 14.d5 looks okay and for
>>many good reasons still it's called a serious positional mistake. That hurts!
>>
>
>This should be possible to evaluate as d5 closes the position and together with
>the bad white bishop the knights should increase in value as the position is
>closed.
>
>>Case 2:
>>
>>[d]2rq2k1/4bppp/p1rp4/1p1NpP2/4P3/2PQ4/PP4PP/3R1R1K w - -
>>
>>Robert Fischer's famous:  Ra1!!
>>
>>I assume almost every program will play f6? here leaving white with
>>nothing. I wonder if any program will find this fine positional move.
>>
>>Ed
>
>Wow! I doubt many humans, GM's or not,  would find that move. What Fisher game
>is this?
>
>Torstein
Fischer-Gadia,Mar del Plata,1960,third round
Here is the game score,taken from "Fischer 179+1 partidas",page 35,
by Gregorio J. Lastra,Mundo del Ajedrez,1973
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cd4 4.Nd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bc4 e6 7.Bb3 b5 8.0-0 Bb7
9.f4 Nc6 10.Nc6 Bc6 11.f5 e5 12.Qd3 Be7 13.Bg5 Qb3 14.Kh1 0-0 15.Bf6 Bf6
16.Bd5 Rac8 17.Bc6 Rc6 18.Rad1 Rfc8 19.Nd5 Qd1 20.c3 Be7 21.Ra1 f6
22.a4 Rb8 23.Ne7  1-0
Soon after the game had finished,Bronstein asked Fischer how come he had
thought of that rook move.Fischer answered,"Tal moves his rooks back and
forth,why can't I do the same?".["How Fischer Plays Chess",page 52,by
David N.L.Levy,1975,Collins]  By the way,the late Olício Gadia was twice
Brazilian champion(1959 and 1962),most likely he was playing in Mar del
Plata because he was then the reigning Brazilian champion.
    Best regards,José Fabiano



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