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Subject: Re: Interesting Position Mate in 15

Author: m.d.hurd

Date: 10:41:29 01/12/00

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On January 12, 2000 at 12:09:08, John Merlino wrote:

>On January 11, 2000 at 22:15:50, Imran Hendley wrote:
>
>>On January 11, 2000 at 20:06:00, John Merlino wrote:
>>
>>>On January 11, 2000 at 03:11:42, m.d.hurd wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 11, 2000 at 03:07:19, m.d.hurd wrote:
>>>>Correction :
>>>>
>>>>Fritz 6 solves this in seconds and keeps announcing the mate up to where it
>>>>promotes to a knight then draws by three fold repitition.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Start position
>>>>
>>>>[D] 8/8/8/2p5/1pp5/brpp4/1pprp2P/qnkbK3 w - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>
>>>Chessmaster falls into the same trap as Fritz (et. al.). It announced mate in 15
>>>in 8 seconds (on a PII-450), and proceeded to promote to a queen for a 3-fold
>>>draw.
>>>
>>>But, if I take it past the knight promotion, it DOES work out the mate in 9 from
>>>there.
>>>
>>>jm
>>
>>I don't see the logic behind this. When it announces mate does it see the knight
>>promotion? If so why does it promote to a Queen? And if when it announces mate
>>it sees a Queen promotion, how can this be, because there is obviously no mate
>>with a Queen. Do you know why this happens?
>
>I have no idea why it happens. It does appear to defy logic. But there must be
>SOME programmatic reason for it, since Fritz appears to do its own version of
>the same thing (announce mate, promote to knight, draw by 3-fold).
>
>jm

And not just Fritz 6, if you take the position after the pawn has promoted to a
Knight, neither Fritz 6 or 5.32 or Hiarcs 7.32 or Crafty 17.4 find the mate.
Doctor 3 does and also comet b10. So some solve it and some do not, maybe
someone else knows the answer why it should be so difficult.

Mike




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