Author: Amir Ban
Date: 15:04:53 01/14/00
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On January 14, 2000 at 12:11:54, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On January 14, 2000 at 09:32:35, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: > >>On January 14, 2000 at 09:04:51, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On January 14, 2000 at 06:43:27, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >>> >>>>On January 14, 2000 at 06:39:02, Alvaro Polo wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 14, 2000 at 06:36:05, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 14, 2000 at 06:21:04, Alvaro Polo wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>It is my opinion that Kasparov should play Deep Blue. >>>>>> >>>>>>This is off track. Kasparov always wanted the rematch, but IBM dismantled Deep >>>>>>Blue. Hsu's new machine is not Deep Blue. >>>>> >>>>>Ok, Enrique. Deep Blue does not longer exists. But what counts is perception >>>>>more than reality, many times. >>>> >>>>But this is precisely the point. Hsu's new machine is not perceived as IBM's >>>>Deep Blue by anyone except the few people in computer chess. >>>> >>>>Enrique >>> >>>I'm not sure I agree... and offer "Seymour Cray" as an example. He left CDC >>>to design a new and faster machine. He had no problems getting financial >>>backing as everyone _knew_ he designed the CDC 6600/Cyber 176. He left Cray >>>Research to build the Cray-2/Cray-3. Again, he had no trouble getting financial >>>backers. Everyone knew it was the "man" and not the "company" that came up with >>>the design ideas. >>> >>>I think Hsu is exactly the same... >> >>From a programmer's point of view it may be the same, but the Kasparov-DB >>rematch has the whole world as an audience, and in this whole world everyone >>knows IBM Deep Blue as the machine that beat Kasparov, no one aside from >>computer chess people and academic circles know Hsu's project. How to justify to >>them that a new XXX "mystery box" plays the world champion? Put it this way: in >>this context, Kasparov has nothing to win, everything to lose and then no reason >>to play. >> >>Enrique >> > >"Kasparov knows" and that is all that counts. He demanded a rematch many >times. Then when he gets the opportunity to finally (perhaps) get his just >revenge, he walks away. > >That is his choice to do, of course. But _he_ knows that Hsu was "Deep Blue". I think Kasparov would know who Hsu is, but only if you refresh his memory. I'm pretty sure Kasparov doesn't think of Hsu as the man who beat him, or that he was "Deep Blue". On the other hand I noticed he's not likely to forget C.J.Tan or Benjamin. It's pretty clear from his statements that he considered himself beaten by the full weight of IBM Corporation, and that is Deep Blue for him. Amir
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