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Subject: Re: DB doesn't exist

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:21:28 01/16/00

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On January 16, 2000 at 05:51:30, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On January 15, 2000 at 00:23:34, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>[snip]
>>The SP isn't the best machine by far.  Hsu could have done far better with a
>>machine based on an SMP alpha platform, rather than the message-passing on the
>>SP architecture.  And then there are the Crays of course.
>Now maybe, not then.  At the time, the Alpha was a weak shadow of the RS/6000
>and with the full complement of CPU's, the RS/6000 is still master over the best
>current Alpha box.  Cray is Silicon Graphics now.  And it would be a large
>paradigm shift from SMP to message passing.
>



First, a 16 cpu alpha can, and always could, blow off a 16 cpu SP badly.  The SP
isn't horribly fast.  The main point here is that Hsu could use no more than
32 SP processors with his existing hardware.  And a 32 cpu alpha, using a real
shared memory would have solved a lot of problems...  It is somewhat "moot"
however, for the technical reasons I have given before.  Faster host processors
simply mean less work on the chess processors...

And don't forget Cray.  They make the T3 group of machines which _are_ message-
passing machines based on the alpha.  With a thousand alphas or whatever you
can afford to buy...

BTW cray is no longer SGI.  For some reason they appear to have separated once
again.




>>I think that most of what was accomplished could have been pulled off by any
>>company with the foresight to recognize the enormous P/R potential of the
>>project.  Don't forget that Deep Thought was unbeatable as far as other
>>computers went, losing only a couple of games over a 10 year period.  Yet it
>>was put together for almost nothing at a university...
>Here, I agree with you.  But vision at the top is even more rare than incredible
>technical ability.



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