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Subject: Re: For Ed: Upgrade for Century?

Author: Ernst Walet

Date: 23:54:12 01/16/00

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On January 16, 2000 at 18:09:00, Eelco de Groot wrote:

>For some reason I thought you were from France or something, Ernst! If we don't
>take care we'll all be speaking Dutch here...
>
>Looking at the plydepths I can now reach with the Rebel ECTool engine on the
>Celeron it almost makes me think that this must be the Masked Marvel that Dann
>is being so secretive about...
>Huge plydepths! That would have taken around a month with the 386.. The results
>are not very interesting in themselves but I just wanted to show off a plydepth
>of 19. With the Rebel ECTool engine there are no crashes but it cannot solve the
>difficult first position. I think especially the quiet move 7.g3 that Ed talked
>about is pruned away and the queen sacrifice at least initially too. I think
>that just goes to show you that plydepth isn't everything. The larger the
>plydepth the greater the chance that you accidentally prune away part of the
>critical variation if that variation grows alongside the plydepth.
>
>[D]2r1kb1r/5pp1/p1q1p2p/1p2P3/4Q3/1N2R3/PPP3PP/2KR4 w k -
>
>Rebel Engine for ECTool. (c) Ed Schröder
>
>Engine version   :  REBEL 9/10
>Hash table size  :  13 Mb
>Analysis mode   :  Analyzing next move
>Refresh interval : 1000 ms
>
>Game begin
>
>00:01  09.00  0.84  Qe4xc6+ Rc8xc6 Re3-d3 Bf8-e7 Rd3-d7 Be7-g5+ Kc1-b1
>00:03  10.00  0.65  Qe4xc6+ Rc8xc6 Re3-d3 Bf8-e7 Rd3-d7 Rc6-c8 Nb3-a5
>00:12  11.00  0.56  Qe4xc6+ Rc8xc6 Re3-d3 Bf8-e7 Rd3-d7 Rc6-c8 Rd7-a7
>00:49  12.00  0.44  Qe4xc6+ Rc8xc6 Re3-d3 Bf8-e7 Rd3-d7 Rc6-c8 g2-g3
>02:07  13.00  0.44  Qe4xc6+ Rc8xc6 Re3-d3 Bf8-e7 Rd3-d7 Be7-g5+ Kc1-b1
>04:17  14.00  0.42  Qe4xc6+ Rc8xc6 Re3-d3 Bf8-e7 Rd3-d7 Rc6-c8 g2-g3
>14:30  15.00  0.36  Qe4xc6+ Rc8xc6 Re3-d3 Bf8-e7 Rd3-d7 Be7-g5+ Kc1-b1
>28:54  15.15  0.41  Nb3-d2 Bf8-b4 c2-c3 Bb4-e7 Qe4xc6+ Rc8xc6 Nd2-e4
>09:19  16.00  0.25  Nb3-d2 Bf8-b4 c2-c3 Bb4-a5 Nd2-b3 Ba5-b6 Qe4xc6+
>24:56  16.01  0.48  Qe4xc6+ Rc8xc6 Re3-d3 Bf8-e7 Rd3-d7 Be7-g5+ Kc1-b1
>34:04  17.00  0.36  Qe4xc6+ Rc8xc6 Re3-d3 Bf8-e7 Rd3-d7 Rc6-c8 g2-g3
>38:12  17.01  0.37  Nb3-d2 Bf8-b4 c2-c3 Bb4-a5 Qe4xc6+ Rc8xc6 Re3-d3
>34:06  18.00  0.27  Nb3-d2 Bf8-b4 c2-c3 Bb4-e7 Qe4xc6+ Rc8xc6 Nd2-e4
>29:05  18.01  0.48  Qe4xc6+ Rc8xc6 Re3-d3 Bf8-e7 Rd3-d7 Be7-g5+ Kc1-b1
>
>I now manually entered the keymove 1.Re3-c3, to see if Rebel could find
>3.Nb3-a5:
>
>Last Move : 1.Rc3 (Black to play)
>
>00:00  08.00  0.00  Qc6xe4 Rc3xc8+ Ke8-e7 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>00:01  10.00  0.00  Qc6xe4 Rc3xc8+ Ke8-e7 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>00:02  11.00  0.00  Qc6xe4 Rc3xc8+ Ke8-e7 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>00:08  12.00  0.00  Qc6xe4 Rc3xc8+ Ke8-e7 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>00:11  13.00  0.00  Qc6xe4 Rc3xc8+ Ke8-e7 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>00:34  14.00  0.00  Qc6xe4 Rc3xc8+ Ke8-e7 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>01:44  15.00  0.00  Qc6xe4 Rc3xc8+ Ke8-e7 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>08:00  16.00  0.00  Qc6xe4 Rc3xc8+ Ke8-e7 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>16:12  17.00  0.00  Qc6xe4 Rc3xc8+ Ke8-e7 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>36:41  18.00  0.00  Qc6xe4 Rc3xc8+ Ke8-e7 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>54:53  19.00  0.00  Qc6xe4 Rc3xc8+ Ke8-e7 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>
>
>Last Move : 1... Qxe4 (White to play)
>
>00:00  08.00  0.00  Rc3xc8+ Ke8-e7 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>00:01  10.00  0.00  Rc3xc8+ Ke8-e7 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>
>Last Move : 2.Rxc8+ (Black to play)
>
>00:00  07.00  0.00  Ke8-e7 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>00:02  08.00  0.00  Ke8-e7 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>
>Last Move : 2... Ke7 (White to play)
>
>00:00  07.00  0.00  Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>00:01  08.00  0.00  Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>00:02  09.00  0.00  Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>00:03  10.00  0.00  Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>00:07  11.00  0.00  Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>00:32  12.00  0.00  Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>01:26  13.00  0.00  Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>02:52  14.00  0.00  Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>05:28  14.16  0.00  Nb3-a5
>10:06  15.00  0.00  Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rc7-c8+
>16:04  15.16  0.00  Nb3-a5
>19:06  15.16  1.04  Nb3-a5 Qe4-d5 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rd1xd5 e6xd5
>23:26  16.00  1.15  Nb3-a5 Qe4-d5 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rd1xd5 e6xd5 Na5-c6
>53:11  17.00  1.10  Nb3-a5 Qe4-f4+ Kc1-b1 f7-f5 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Na5-c6
>39:01  18.00  1.19  Nb3-a5 Qe4-d5 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rd1xd5 e6xd5 Rc7-a7
>54:47  19.00  1.15  Nb3-a5 Qe4-d5 Rc8-c7+ Ke7-e8 Rd1xd5 e6xd5 Rc7-a7
>
>It does find 3. Nb3-a5 now -maybe it would also have found it at the second move
>eventually- but does not find a line with 7.g3.
>
>The position you provided on Rebel Board, Ernst:
>
>[D]8/6P1/5K2/8/3pq3/2k5/5Q2/8 b - - id Kasparov - The World
>
>Rebel Engine for ECTool. (c) Ed Schröder
>
>Engine version   :  REBEL 9/10
>Hash table size  :  13 Mb
>Analysis mode   :  Analyzing next move
>Refresh interval : 1000 ms
>
>Game begin
>
>00:00  07.00  -0.16  Qe4-c6+ Kf6-g5 Qc6-d5+ Qf2-f5 Qd5-d8+ Qf5-f6 Qd8-d5+
>00:03  08.00  -0.82  Qe4-c6+ Kf6-g5 Qc6-d5+ Qf2-f5 Qd5-d8+ Qf5-f6 Qd8-d5+
>00:04  09.00  -0.83  Qe4-c6+ Kf6-g5 Qc6-d5+ Qf2-f5 Qd5-d8+ Qf5-f6 Qd8-e8
>00:15  10.00  -0.97  Qe4-c6+ Kf6-g5 Qc6-e6 Qf2-f5 Qe6-e7+ Kg5-g6 Qe7-d6+
>00:39  11.00  -0.99  Qe4-c6+ Kf6-g5 Qc6-e6 Qf2-f5 Qe6-e7+ Kg5-g6 Qe7-d6+
>03:56  12.00  -1.27  Qe4-c6+ Kf6-g5 Qc6-e8 Qf2-f5 Qe8-d8+ Kg5-g6 Qd8-d6+
>06:40  13.00  -0.98  Qe4-c6+ Kf6-g5 Qc6-e8 Qf2-f6 Qe8-a8 Qf6-e6 Qa8-g2+
>19:10  14.00  -1.35  Qe4-c6+ Kf6-g5 Qc6-e6 Qf2-f5 Qe6-e7+ Kg5-h6 Qe7-d6+
>32:30  15.00  -1.31  Qe4-c6+ Kf6-g5 Qc6-e8 Qf2-g3+ d4-d3 Qg3-c7+ Kc3-d2
>42:23  16.00  -1.38  Qe4-c6+ Kf6-g5 Qc6-e8 Qf2-f5 Qe8-d8+ Kg5-g6 Qd8-d6+
>02:39  17.00  -1.36  Qe4-c6+ Kf6-g5 Qc6-e8 Qf2-f6 Qe8-e3+ Qf6-f4 Qe3-e6


Indeed huge depth´s, I wish that I could reach a depth of 19 :-)

But seriousely, in the tread on Rebel´s board Ed mentioned that probably the
interface was the trouble, so I did not expect you to have trouble with it in
ECTools.  Futhermore you are using the Rebel 9/10 engine so...

Ernst-J.



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