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Subject: Re: The real reason Kasp wont play with fritz 6

Author: Charles Unruh

Date: 07:07:16 01/18/00

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On January 16, 2000 at 22:08:11, Rodney Hudlow wrote:

>On January 16, 2000 at 15:48:31, Charles Unruh wrote:
>
>>On January 16, 2000 at 02:45:39, John Warfield wrote:
>>
>>>On January 16, 2000 at 01:10:59, Charles Unruh wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I in an earlier post said that Kasparov stating that he wouldn't play in the
>>>>Siemens Nixdorf Giants tournament was "B.S" , after thought though, i have come
>>>>to the conclusion that he is probably right!  This because We here all(except a
>>>>few holdouts) know from experience that a program such as Rebel is as strong as
>>>>a GM(weak 2500) at 40/2 running on a mere 600 Mhz machine.   In this case though
>>>>Fritz6(stronger than Rebel IMHO(and when you beat Rebel 15 to 5 as in Enriques
>>>>tournament, i don't want to hear crap about being better against humans, it's
>>>>not) will be running on a SUPER fast siemens primenergy server which in essence
>>>>will make it play like a rebel(probably stronger) at 40/2 even though the time
>>>>control will be only game in 25.  So programs on fast hardware can still play at
>>>>40/2 strength even though the TC is but game in 25(humans can't hardly do this).
>>>>
>>>>  Secondly Even if Kasparov managed to beat or draw his fritz match, Fritz could
>>>>go on to have better results against the competition than he does, which could
>>>>result in tons of advertising which says "Fritz finished ahead of world champion
>>>> Gary Kasparov in a tournament!"  This besides pissing him off, would possibly
>>>>hurt his endorsements, and chances of garnering sponsorship for his match with
>>>>Anand.  Solution might be though, to just go ahead and increase the tournament
>>>>time control to say game in 2hrs Kasp would have no fear then, as he knows that
>>>>both he and the competition would fair well against fritz.  I'd prefer that TC
>>>>anyway :).
>>>>
>>>>  Problem is though, i don't know how the German chess federation is going to
>>>>deal with this, because the Sponsor Siemens wants to get advertisement out of
>>>>fritz running on their Hardware!  I actually wish there was some way to sue him
>>>>and force him to play(I hope they got him locked into some kind of contract).
>>>>Because regardless i still want him to play :).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Well wasn't it kasparov who said in a recent interview about frankfurt that
>>>annand beat fritz6 and he thinks that a computer would never win in "our event"
>>>It appears just as in the deepblue matter his mouth is bigger than his heart.
>>
>>
>>   I don't know i missed that statement by kasparov.  However as for this match
>>with deep-blue there are some problems.  Firstly since it's not the same deep
>>blue as previous but rather some deep blue chip, If Kasparov won there would be
>>countless people who would start claiming "Well it wasn't the same computer and
>>this wasn't really deep blue but just a chess chip and was weaker, etc. etc."
>>Secondly he needs time to set up a match for Anand, and any hiccup like a loss
>>to a deep blue chip could blow a million dollar deal!  I'm all for playing on
>>principle, but if i was Kasps lawyer i wouldn't advise him to risk blowing a
>>million dollar match with Anand.  Further in the words of Kasparov "I gaurantee"
>>that if Hsu says he has a million bucks to play Kasparov in a match, Kasp will
>>play!  In the words of Jerry Mcguire "Show me the money!".
>>  The real reason Kasp wont play in the Nixdorf with Fritz 6 is because he can't
>>trust Anand and Kramnik to keep Fritz from winning the tournament.  If Fritz 6
>>was to win then The Million Dollar world title match with Anand would be off.
>>Can you imagine how hard it already is to go out and say "Hey i want you to pay
>>me a million bucks to play this guy that I, and everyone else in the world knows
>>i will beat.  Thank you" .  Having a 50 dollar program beat you in a tournament
>>doesn't make the previous statement sound any better at all.
>>
>>Bottom Line--" It's all about the money baby!"
>
>The million dollar match with Anand (or anyone else for that matter) has already
>been lost. The lost to Deep Blue took care of that. If this kind of money was
>going to be there, the match would either be scheduled or would have taken place
>last fall.

You will see a match with payola be assured
>
>RJH



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